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Air Forces has announced that applying

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disc has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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Network

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all right good evening Fade to Black

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today is Wednesday June 14 2023 I'm your

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host Jimmy Church Great show tonight

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Justin bamfirth is with us tonight we're

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going to be discussing well we're going

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to centralize the conversation around

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the diaspora

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of the Men in Black that's right where

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do they come from

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who are they going what are they doing

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what are they connected to and Justin

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has investigated everything from the

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Paranormal to ufology

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um uh encounters with the Men in Black

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time Travel Time Slips doppelgangers but

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it's all connected isn't it so we're

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going to be dealing with all of that

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tonight all of Justin's websites are

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below in the comments section we have it

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over on our website we have it

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throughout the social media so with that

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I would like to welcome for the first

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time to fade to black the one and only

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Justin Bamford and there he is Justin

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good evening young man how you doing hey

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all right thanks for having me here it's

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uh it's so great

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Bamford okay

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to have you with us and uh now uh you

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get the First Time guest disclaimer also

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I'm listening I have a fan on

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um and if it I can hear it when I'm

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speaking because the gates open uh I may

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turn it off but that's what's going on

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right now the heat has arrived here in

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the desert okay so anyway uh you get the

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First Time guest disclaimer which is

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this Justin it's just you and I sitting

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on my couch having a conversation as

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friends and where that conversation

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starts it starts where it ends it ends

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but working and his friends except I the

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client just kidding I accept yes have

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you ever have you ever you know that

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that customer service agreement right

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that thing that pops up have you ever

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read one before you clicked okay no I

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only read it when I want to go to bed so

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I mean we have all gotten so used to it

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and I know I know that they because of

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that they're putting stuff in there that

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shouldn't be there but they know that

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we're not going to read it we we need

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the app right we need we need whatever

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that is too much right to go and read we

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just click agree and and move on yeah

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yeah it's a weird world we live in it is

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yes it is

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since we're going to be talking about

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tonight and

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um you know we're going to be talking

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about uh mainly about the Men in Black

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and the connections and and things

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around them and people's experiences uh

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um but to start things off well okay

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last night

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um after the show

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I uh I was like man I want to go vintage

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tonight I want to watch a vintage movie

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and uh I was already I was listening to

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an audiobook and I was like No I

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so I went and I pulled up

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uh 1956 truly one of the greatest movies

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on the subject of UFOs ever made it's

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called UFO

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and 1956 documentary and uh with some

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crazy footage and things

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um uh but what was interesting in that

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in 1956 and how the uh the Air Force and

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the Department of Defense uh was dealing

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with uh members of the public there was

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there was this kind of like a Men In

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Black element to it and the Men in Black

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so many consider this like a modern

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situation 60s 70s 80s 90s uh 2000

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whatever but no this this stretches back

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a long ways doesn't it what is the

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history when did when did Men in Black

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first start to uh get popular

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ufology really started to take off right

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you know after Roswell all that sort of

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stuff and then you had you know accounts

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like um Albert Bender Who was you know

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involved with all this

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and that is really like the the birth of

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like the modern MIB as we know it today

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is it's not isolated to that time period

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right it still exists even today I'm

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still getting reports

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but I don't think it's that classic

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stereotypical MIB that people are really

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seeing all the time they're overlooking

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calling them strange people encounters

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if they're even people right

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the um uh I want to spend some time on

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bender and uh we'll Circle back to that

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and the first off very serious he was a

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very serious individual

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years of the incident and then him

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finally going public about it that's a

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that's a crazy part of his his history

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and his biography so I I do I want to

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Circle back to that my

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um Men In Black are you like my uh

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diaspora did you like that you like how

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I threw that in did you like that little

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toss that that I did

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um uh this is this is what happened uh

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one incident with me and I'm gonna tell

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the the short version of the the story

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but I I want your comments on it and if

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you have heard of something similar okay

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I I do my show

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right Coast to Coast whatever Fade to

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Black doesn't matter

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I'm sitting on my back patio during the

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day in the morning drinking coffee the

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doorbell rings now

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um I lived in a gated community

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so therefore there's no traffic right

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that's it there are no cars and uh above

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and beyond that the doorbell I didn't

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even know it worked right nobody knocks

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on the door you know somebody shows up

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they buzzed the gate you let them in

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you're expecting them but it's another

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thing altogether to have the doorbell

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ring so it rings I go and I and there's

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standing in a and she's got a gray suit

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on dark gray and she had an iPad and she

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goes um

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are you Jimmy Church

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and I was like what

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who are you and she says I'm with the

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Census Bureau and she she had a badge

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uh ID card or something hanging on her

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neck she looked like a cop she looked

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like a Fed okay a secret agent and I

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just stepped back and I said what do you

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want she goes well

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do you I said this I'm gonna stop you

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right there I step back and I shut the

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right and I went back outside I thought

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that was the strangest thing the next

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day the next day

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my on my patio the doorbell rings I was

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like no really I go I opened up the door

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it's her and three dudes and the three

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dudes standing behind her looked like

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football players big dudes all in suits

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Mr Church we're here we need to ask you

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remember man

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and I shut the door

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now my mistake was

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I didn't take pictures I should have

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taken pictures I I should have gone

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outside and oh I noticed that they drove

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a Crown Vic like a cop car and that was

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across the street but I didn't take any

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pictures

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and I didn't shoot any video the

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opportunity was right there but it never

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happened again

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now what what do you make of that and

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you know especially with my background

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and what I do right sure but have you uh

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with all of your research have you heard

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of excuses like that I'm with the post

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office I'm with the sensors we need to

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have you have you heard about anything

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like this yeah I have actually and you

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know it's funny because the census angle

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that in his research that they would

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often pose as census workers or census

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takers

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um but they would inquire into things

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like specifically about your interest in

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flying saucers

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investigators standpoint with my

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investigator hat is was the census going

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on at that time yeah I've thought about

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that you know I I I I talked to a few

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um about this I've told the story and it

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wasn't that's a really good point right

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is I talked to my neighbors and they

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were like there's no census people here

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what are you talking about and I didn't

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see them at at other houses as as well

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um I did uh kind of you know go out and

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take a look around so yeah that that

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didn't happen

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yeah then something peculiar well

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who are these people that's the main

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question right and why were they there

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but we'll never find out that answer

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because you never gave him a chance

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right to to Really uh get into it

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um so that a lot of times but I just

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this is a great example because it just

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shows you that the last thing in your on

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your mind at that time is you're

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thinking Men In Black right you're just

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thinking oh these are just you know

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nuisance people whatever I don't have

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anything to do with them and how many

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times does this happen and it's not

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until after the fact that we look back

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at this situation and we think wait

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maybe there was something to this that

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was a little peculiar yeah yep yep yep I

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did all of those things

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and uh the first time it was strange the

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second day I made all of the classic

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mistakes didn't take any pictures I

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didn't ask for ID I didn't I didn't go

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outside I didn't uh you know the license

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plate on the car all those things I was

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like man what an opportunity and it all

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slipped by me you know what I do

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um uh I've I've said this many times but

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um it's weird how the mind works the guy

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on to to my left right there's three

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this guy here

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was so big they were all big football

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player guys but this guy had like red

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hair white skin

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and looked like he played for the

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Nebraska Cornhuskers you know like the

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defensive line all right I mean he was a

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for the census

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you know I I I and the guy in the middle

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was taller so but I I just remember that

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guy uh the the the redhead the redhead

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dude but these guys probably didn't

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utter a single word right nope nope yeah

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see that's typical usually it's only one

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of these individuals that does all the

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talking and the others are silent

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um it's peculiar it's certainly peculiar

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uh what about like their their movement

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did they did any sorts of just stood

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there okay just stood there just stood

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there and looked at me yeah yeah she did

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all the talking

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and um and which wasn't much you know

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and I I literally slammed the door on

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them and it just backed up and it was

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you know you're in my personal space

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number one number two you're Uninvited

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you know this is a gated community how

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do you get through the gate how did you

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do that what are you doing can't you

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know and yeah and how do you know my

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name

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um and it was just that you know it was

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just it was just strange it's just

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strange I think the first day she

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mentioned

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uh you're a radio broadcaster right and

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that's what threw me off it was just

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like it was a census what what do you

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you know and that was it I just I just

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slammed the door so you're right so

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that's that's my experience and and I

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didn't realize that John Keel had

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mentioned this census thing and it's

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kind of confirming my own suspicions

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here that they had nothing to do with

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the census and and John Keel

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um wrote about this uh in which book

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I I'd have to look at my at my notes but

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I remember coming across at some point

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it was either one of his talks or one of

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his books but he covered this subject

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really really intensely as a lot of of

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your listeners are are very familiar

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with right right it is puzzling it

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really is okay

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I wanted to ask you this

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um do you feel and then we'll move on

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sure who

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who employs them

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right I mean is this is this military

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are they subcontractors they work for a

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private company is it a special Access

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program are they a member of the

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yeah it's a really good question because

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we tend to label things as

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as the Men in Black are just one entity

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right like they're coming from One

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Source they're one organization right

339
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and a lot of people think oh these must

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be government guys

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I think again it's just speculation is I

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think that there is two different types

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of Men In Black

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or two different types of these strange

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people one of them could be government

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agents representing some sort of

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organization

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the other one though uh is the really

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unnatural inhuman interactions that

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they're having with individuals all the

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time that is what I'm more uh interested

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in now I've had conversations with uh a

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lot of your listeners may be familiar

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with Daryl Sims and he's brought up his

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point with me in a couple of our

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conversations and he thinks he actually

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thinks that there's a specific

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organization that he's able to pinpoint

359
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at least that was the last time I spoke

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with him about it and he even had like a

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business card so it's really interesting

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I think he's still following that that

363
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road but I've never seen a business card

364
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I've I've never encountered that aspect

365
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of it but I've covered a lot more of

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these really strange

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you know they don't even appear human

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they almost appear like robots you know

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and I wonder if there's an aspect to the

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phenomenon where it seems to mirror or

371
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reflect

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us in a way uh maybe these guys and gals

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or things or people whatever you want to

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call them as entities are just just kind

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of like taking

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um

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from what a government agents do and

378
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they're just portraying that in their

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interactions I don't know so they're

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trying to

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be secret agent types

382
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right because they that this is the

383
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that's the image and they think that

384
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that's how you're supposed to act and

385
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that is they're acting yeah yeah they

386
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totally are but they're just trying to

387
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fit in really they're just trying to be

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human I mean that's the impression that

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I get based on their mannerisms based on

390
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their interactions

391
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but it's almost like they're trying too

392
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hard to be perfect that is coming off as

393
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rather imperfect and that's the Telltale

394
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sign right there we've heard okay so

395
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what are some of the uh typical there's

396
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a lot of overlay and overlap here now

397
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let's take the The Human Side out of it

398
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but some of the uh unnatural

399
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um we've all seen that that video right

400
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of the the the alleged Men In Black

401
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coming through the lobby and and and

402
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they come through those two guys don't

403
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um they don't

404
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they're not smooth

405
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right right they're not I've I've met

406
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Secret Service agents I've met I've hung

407
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out with them they're just like you and

408
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I I got it yeah I went to school you

409
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know I just eat food

410
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um now they're they're superhuman No

411
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Doubt

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um but they still walk and talk and and

413
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act like us right those two dudes

414
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walking through in that video seem very

415
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unnatural what are some of the unnatural

416
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mannerisms uh that we can look for yeah

417
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and I'm glad that you bring up that

418
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video because that was one of the cases

419
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that I investigated and spoke with the

420
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original witnesses to that um or the

421
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main the primary witness his name is

422
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Shane silvar uh the but a lot of the

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telltale signs are these

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well there's there's a few the odd

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mechanical robotic type movement you

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know though very they'll walk very like

427
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um very like upright or very or they'll

428
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hunch over like an extreme angle they

429
00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:49,679
won't act quite normal I have some

430
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reports where their body is hunched over

431
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a little bit more than their feet or

432
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they're just walking like unbalanced

433
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sometimes they're just extremely

434
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straight

435
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that that's one of the aspects uh the

436
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other part is the uh the way that they

437
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speak it's very mechanical very robotic

438
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very monotone

439
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so that's another aspect a lot of these

440
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reports that I have the the voice itself

441
00:20:21,169 --> 00:20:18,720
is very unusual because that I have like

442
00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:21,179
an extreme Reverb to it

443
00:20:24,830 --> 00:20:22,980
very bizarre stuff

444
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,840
and and I've had some of these Witnesses

445
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try to describe it to me

446
00:20:30,650 --> 00:20:28,679
and even they have a tough time trying

447
00:20:32,570 --> 00:20:30,660
to put it into words because they say

448
00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:32,580
like it's unlike anything else that

449
00:20:39,289 --> 00:20:35,940
they've heard before another case

450
00:20:41,690 --> 00:20:39,299
um it seems like the uh the the vocal

451
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:41,700
patterns were delayed almost like a like

452
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,120
a poorly overdubbed um foreign film it's

453
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really really bizarre uh some other

454
00:20:52,610 --> 00:20:49,760
aspects there there

455
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okay hold on and so let's pump the

456
00:20:59,450 --> 00:20:55,200
brakes right there okay that's uh two

457
00:21:03,110 --> 00:20:59,460
interesting points so to suggest Reverb

458
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:03,120
or effects right on The Voice would mean

459
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:08,640
that it's not a natural uh uh vocal box

460
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,000
vocal cords creating this that it's a

461
00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:13,919
mechanical device

462
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:18,360
uh replicating the human voice and there

463
00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:21,840
are digital effects applied to it that

464
00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:24,840
obviously that we can't if I could if I

465
00:21:29,630 --> 00:21:27,299
could talk with a Reverb I'd be that

466
00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:29,640
would be the badass radio host in the

467
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:32,100
world right okay right

468
00:21:36,909 --> 00:21:33,840
um so is that what you're suggesting

469
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:36,919
that that possibly the the voice box

470
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uh is mechanical and there's effects

471
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,440
added to uh the sound yeah look your

472
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,480
guess is as good as mine I mean because

473
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if that is the case and they're using

474
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some sort of external device how are

475
00:21:58,669 --> 00:21:55,440
they doing it right because a lot of the

476
00:22:00,830 --> 00:21:58,679
witness reports don't seem to talk about

477
00:22:02,930 --> 00:22:00,840
that they don't identify with any sort

478
00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:02,940
of you know device that they may have in

479
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their hand or you know in their pocket

480
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or whatnot uh to give you an example uh

481
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one case that I covered it uh there was

482
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this guy out in um Mississauga um

483
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,640
Ontario and he was he had he and his

484
00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:20,159
family they had a UFO sighting uh their

485
00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:21,960
his name is Andrew Kelly

486
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and they were outside they filmed it one

487
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night the next day Andrew is walking to

488
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it's like a shopping center in his

489
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neighborhood and he comes across these

490
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two guys that are approaching him and

491
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they stop they yell you know to them sir

492
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to get his attention

493
00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:39,659
he thought it was just like a you know

494
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like some sort of religious group or or

495
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something like that so he was already on

496
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edge

497
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but it was the way that they then spoke

498
00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:49,440
to him afterwards they said um something

499
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,419
along the lines of like we know what you

500
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filmed last night

501
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,419
when uh he and his family they didn't

502
00:23:00,110 --> 00:22:56,400
share this with anybody except

503
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,120
themselves so how would they know and he

504
00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:03,600
said uh he said well yeah I did and then

505
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the one man again just the one man not

506
00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:07,260
the other one he didn't do any talking

507
00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,940
but the one man says what you saw was

508
00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:10,740
nothing I advise you to get rid of this

509
00:23:14,570 --> 00:23:13,020
tape and if you don't there would be

510
00:23:15,890 --> 00:23:14,580
some serious consequences basically

511
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threatening them

512
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so Andrew's just one just wondering like

513
00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:20,880
how did who are these guys right they

514
00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:22,740
don't identify themselves nothing but

515
00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:25,140
when he described this to me he said it

516
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was their sound when the guy was moving

517
00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:30,179
his lips the audio didn't come out it

518
00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:32,039
was slightly delayed

519
00:23:37,549 --> 00:23:35,159
and the way he described it he said you

520
00:23:39,289 --> 00:23:37,559
know again there was that Reverb but he

521
00:23:42,049 --> 00:23:39,299
said that it was like they were under

522
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:42,059
water and you know like if you move like

523
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:43,440
a like let's say you're underwater and

524
00:23:46,490 --> 00:23:44,700
you you move like one of those pool

525
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,500
ladders right and it makes that

526
00:23:51,049 --> 00:23:49,200
mechanical like I don't I don't know how

527
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,059
to do the description of it or how to

528
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,799
imitate it but it's like this very

529
00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:55,440
mechanical creaking type sounds but it

530
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,240
has a little bit of an echo he said

531
00:24:01,490 --> 00:23:59,460
that's what it sounded like now I

532
00:24:03,890 --> 00:24:01,500
struggle with that because I I can't

533
00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:03,900
fathom that but he really stuck to this

534
00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:07,020
and um it just makes you wonder like

535
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:09,299
okay how the heck did you even

536
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:10,980
understand this guy because that's a

537
00:24:14,830 --> 00:24:12,600
really unusual sound I can hear in my

538
00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:14,840
mind right but I can't like imitate it

539
00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:17,340
but the other thing too about these

540
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:19,080
these two men is he said that they

541
00:24:24,529 --> 00:24:21,299
smelled like a uh it was a really

542
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:24,539
unpleasant odor uh he said it was

543
00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:26,280
something like like rotten eggs

544
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:28,140
sprinkled with cinnamon

545
00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:32,220
now what we know is rotten eggs is very

546
00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:35,640
similar to sulfur and in a lot of

547
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:38,280
negative hauntings a lot of even demonic

548
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:40,020
cases that

549
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:42,539
um smell of sulfur will be present in

550
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,500
the air

551
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:46,080
so I wonder again just speculation I

552
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:48,179
wonder if there is this aspect to this

553
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:50,760
darker side of things maybe that's where

554
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:52,020
some of these men in black originate

555
00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:57,480
from I don't know and I like the uh the

556
00:25:02,870 --> 00:24:59,940
description of the vocals being delayed

557
00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:02,880
right well like you're watching a movie

558
00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:05,880
and you know when it's just off by just

559
00:25:09,409 --> 00:25:07,860
a little bit do your videos out of sync

560
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,419
with your audio

561
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:12,000
and and you could tell and it's very

562
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,740
frustrating the human uh your Anatomy

563
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,679
your ears your brain your eyes they all

564
00:25:25,210 --> 00:25:20,960
work together

565
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:25,220
and uh your DNA is set from birth right

566
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,200
your mom's face

567
00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:31,200
is the first thing that you see right so

568
00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:33,480
now your DNA is being programmed right

569
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:36,360
what a human face is your mom speaks

570
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,200
lips move sound comes out and the sink

571
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:43,200
is there your DNA gets programmed right

572
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:49,799
so as as you grow up and this is now uh

573
00:25:56,510 --> 00:25:53,039
a part of your life one of the things

574
00:26:00,409 --> 00:25:56,520
that your brain and your eyes and and

575
00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:00,419
your ears are all doing together is that

576
00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:03,539
you're reading lips you're sinking what

577
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:05,580
you hear and then your brain is

578
00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:08,940
processing it right you throw that off

579
00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:11,640
you throw that off a little bit your

580
00:26:16,730 --> 00:26:13,620
brain is not you're not going to believe

581
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:16,740
what you're looking at right especially

582
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:19,620
with the Men in Black situation where

583
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:22,980
it's it's not going to feel natural it's

584
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:25,860
not going to appear to be human if you

585
00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:28,260
throw that off our DNA is not programmed

586
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,120
to read it another way

587
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:32,880
right and so I I think that that would

588
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:36,000
be one of the first right it would stick

589
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:40,440
out so much and and would confuse our

590
00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:43,679
very basic DNA that that is formed since

591
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:47,100
we uh you know we were born

592
00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:49,020
yeah it could be I mean that is a good

593
00:26:54,409 --> 00:26:52,140
theory you know uh another possibility

594
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:54,419
and again it's all speculation right

595
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:56,220
like how can we prove this

596
00:27:00,529 --> 00:26:57,720
but

597
00:27:01,970 --> 00:27:00,539
it could be that maybe when these

598
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:01,980
individuals are interacting with these

599
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:04,380
men in black that maybe time somehow

600
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:06,539
gets distorted similar to like UFO

601
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:08,520
experience right people will see things

602
00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:11,159
in the environment that shouldn't be you

603
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:12,659
know they'll see these different

604
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,480
distortions and I wonder if maybe with

605
00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:17,340
the Men in Black maybe they're not truly

606
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:20,220
there in Physical Realm but maybe

607
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,500
they're just coming across in this extra

608
00:27:27,289 --> 00:27:24,960
dimensional way again how do you prove

609
00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:27,299
this I don't know but maybe that's what

610
00:27:33,289 --> 00:27:29,820
causes these things to be slightly off

611
00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:33,299
I don't know I who knows it's just weird

612
00:27:40,510 --> 00:27:36,360
though yeah it all of it's weird

613
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:40,520
um now uh back to mannerisms so

614
00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:42,059
uh

615
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,059
understand walking but but what about

616
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:50,159
the other things that you know are just

617
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:51,779
natural to us you know how we look

618
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,440
around or or how we move our eyes or our

619
00:28:01,310 --> 00:27:58,080
hand you know just just the basic

620
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:01,320
physical things that we do yeah uh are

621
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:03,240
these exaggerated with the Men in Black

622
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:05,580
and women in Black by the way yeah yeah

623
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:09,120
they are and uh with with this case the

624
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:11,640
Andrew Kelly case is I like it because

625
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,220
it's a classic case study of this he

626
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,080
when he described how they appeared

627
00:28:21,169 --> 00:28:18,480
physically he said that they were they

628
00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:21,179
had very pale complexions uh very very

629
00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:23,400
pale white and he said that their tiny

630
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:25,140
noses didn't look like human noses to

631
00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:27,480
him and he said his uh the the

632
00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:30,179
gentleman's um lips they were just like

633
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:32,460
a slit and he described it like putting

634
00:28:42,289 --> 00:28:38,990
um so it's it's really bizarre stuff now

635
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:42,299
another aspect is uh the clothes they

636
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:43,799
could be very ill-fitting clothes

637
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,799
extremely tight or extremely baggy

638
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:48,600
um either way they don't fit quite right

639
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,900
and now I want to caution your listeners

640
00:28:55,610 --> 00:28:54,000
these are not strange people in the

641
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:55,620
sense of people you encounter at your

642
00:28:59,210 --> 00:28:57,720
local Walmart right or like something

643
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:59,220
along those lines

644
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:01,020
these are people

645
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,200
or entities that are highly unusual they

646
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:06,000
will stand out to you

647
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,820
but not at first at first you're just

648
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:10,799
not not think twice about it but then

649
00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:12,840
they'll interact with you or they'll

650
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:14,580
just observe you

651
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:17,580
um it's and in those moments then people

652
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,260
begin to feel very uncomfortable and

653
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,880
then they take note and then they

654
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,039
realize okay something is off here and

655
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:24,480
then the more they study them they're

656
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:26,520
like wait something is really off with

657
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:32,279
these people so now what about the skin

658
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,390
um

659
00:29:39,769 --> 00:29:35,360
[Music]

660
00:29:41,950 --> 00:29:39,779
what is the most typical because I

661
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:41,960
almost imagine

662
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,299
uh uh albino you know skin without

663
00:29:54,370 --> 00:29:48,320
pigment almost you know something

664
00:29:55,930 --> 00:29:54,380
that is is is is is is just there to be

665
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:55,940
covering

666
00:30:02,570 --> 00:29:59,520
it's not it's not uh it doesn't have any

667
00:30:06,529 --> 00:30:02,580
artistic or aesthetic value

668
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:06,539
um right where us right the color of our

669
00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:09,899
skin or the tone I should say of our

670
00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:13,260
skin uh is important to us right that's

671
00:30:19,370 --> 00:30:15,960
why some ladies wear makeup and men so

672
00:30:22,669 --> 00:30:19,380
that's why we have tanning beds or or

673
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:22,679
not if you know what I mean

674
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,580
um but uh we hear of absence of color

675
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,559
don't we

676
00:30:33,649 --> 00:30:31,679
yeah um well there are some reports

677
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:33,659
where they're not just extremely pale

678
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,799
they can be extremely tan too so it just

679
00:30:42,289 --> 00:30:39,840
seems to be this extreme one way or

680
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:42,299
another now again that's not all of the

681
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:43,860
reports but that seems to be one of

682
00:30:49,870 --> 00:30:46,080
these consistent elements that I that I

683
00:30:55,690 --> 00:30:49,880
tend to you know make note of so

684
00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:55,700
to um uh do is the typical appearance

685
00:31:02,810 --> 00:30:58,380
not physical appearance when they show

686
00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:02,820
up yeah is it's uh the next day right

687
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,860
and you've seen something outside you've

688
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:06,480
seen something in the air you made a

689
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:08,760
phone call you called your friend and

690
00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:11,880
and then the next day you get the visit

691
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,539
it seems to be that way that there is a

692
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:17,820
consistency with the the initial

693
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,799
experience that somebody has whether

694
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:22,080
it's a UFO sighting or even paranormal

695
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:23,460
experience

696
00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:26,220
but not always so in the case of like

697
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,200
Shane sovar which you mentioned the the

698
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,000
surveillance footage right where you see

699
00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:32,240
these two guys enter the hotel lobby

700
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:35,340
that didn't happen until several months

701
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,100
after Shane had his UFO experiences in

702
00:31:41,470 --> 00:31:40,320
fact can we talk about that case for a

703
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:41,480
second

704
00:31:46,909 --> 00:31:44,940
that video uh I I think is a very

705
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:46,919
important video

706
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,080
um but we uh look at it as evidence of

707
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,240
Men In Black but we don't know the story

708
00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:56,640
behind it

709
00:32:00,889 --> 00:31:58,980
um so let's back up for a second who is

710
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:00,899
uh Shane silvar

711
00:32:06,289 --> 00:32:04,380
and what was it that he experienced

712
00:32:09,889 --> 00:32:06,299
before the you know the famous

713
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:09,899
surveillance footage was shot yeah so in

714
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:13,620
2008 he was a hotel manager out Niagara

715
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:16,980
Falls in Ontario as well and he and his

716
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:19,380
some of his staff out there they had

717
00:32:24,430 --> 00:32:22,260
seen a UFO in the sky

718
00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:24,440
and it was just you know it wasn't

719
00:32:29,210 --> 00:32:26,520
extraordinary it wasn't like a super

720
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:29,220
close encounter but it was unusual

721
00:32:34,970 --> 00:32:32,039
and then he was really interested by

722
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:34,980
this and then he had another experience

723
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:38,700
so this was I think around October and

724
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:40,919
November of 2008.

725
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:43,320
so he and it's really strange because

726
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:45,960
his wife uh Catherine she didn't believe

727
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,220
him at the time

728
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:49,200
or I'm sorry Kathy and she she didn't

729
00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:50,700
believe him at the time it wasn't until

730
00:32:56,450 --> 00:32:53,159
Kathy was at the salon talking with her

731
00:32:58,430 --> 00:32:56,460
hair stylist that that guy said hey I've

732
00:33:01,970 --> 00:32:58,440
seen these things too

733
00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:01,980
it turns out that there was a whole

734
00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:03,659
bunch of sightings happening in the

735
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:06,360
Niagara Falls region around 2008 and

736
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,799
there was another researcher his name

737
00:33:12,889 --> 00:33:09,600
was a I think his name is Brian feich

738
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:12,899
from hbcc UFO research

739
00:33:17,389 --> 00:33:15,000
over in British Columbia

740
00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:17,399
he was looking into these sightings

741
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:20,580
I find out later actually I think bass

742
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,200
was interested in this

743
00:33:26,029 --> 00:33:24,659
they were keeping an eye on it okay fine

744
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:26,039
so there's there's something going on

745
00:33:30,649 --> 00:33:28,019
right there's a UFO flap

746
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:30,659
so then Shane is at his house this was

747
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:33,240
again November 2008 he's just on his

748
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:35,940
property he's cleaning his house

749
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:38,399
and all of a sudden this old man comes

750
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,779
up to the house as he's cleaning the

751
00:33:44,930 --> 00:33:41,880
gutters and he just starts staring at

752
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:44,940
Shane and Shane's like oh hello can I

753
00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:47,460
help you and the old man is like

754
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:50,279
I built this house I built this house

755
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:53,460
and Shane's like okay cool uh let me

756
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,140
show you around right

757
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:56,880
so he shows the old man around the

758
00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:58,679
property and the old man is really

759
00:34:03,049 --> 00:34:00,899
fascinated by this and he's just he's

760
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:03,059
Amazed by the trees he's like oh my gosh

761
00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:05,159
they grew so big and all this

762
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:06,779
and Shane's like yeah yeah it's really

763
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,799
interesting you know do you want me to

764
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:09,599
show you more and then the old man just

765
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:12,960
abruptly goes all right I gotta go uh

766
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,820
and he and it was really strange is then

767
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:17,040
he says I'll see you in a year

768
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,780
and he

769
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:20,159
I know it's gonna sound weird but he

770
00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:22,440
kind of floats down the street Shane

771
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:24,119
said that it didn't look like his feet

772
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:26,460
were even touching the ground

773
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,740
now this this man he didn't know who

774
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:30,960
this guy was but so he talks about it

775
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:32,460
with his neighbors

776
00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:34,379
and the description

777
00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:36,659
uh some of his neighbors were like wait

778
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:38,700
a minute we know that guy but that guy

779
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:41,339
died like 15 years prior

780
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:43,859
so was Shane talking with a ghost or

781
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:45,659
what we would determine to be a ghost

782
00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:46,560
right

783
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:50,580
phenomenon happens all throughout his

784
00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:53,460
house the Poltergeist activity really

785
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:56,580
strange things and it's so much so that

786
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:58,500
it drives him and his wife and his

787
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,300
family they're going crazy from this

788
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:02,400
they're being pestered by this

789
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:03,720
they're they're thinking about even

790
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:06,060
moving at this point now let's fast

791
00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:07,200
forward

792
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:09,300
um a few months later the activity

793
00:35:14,569 --> 00:35:12,960
suddenly subsides but it subsides around

794
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:14,579
Mother's Day

795
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,619
take a day off from work he doesn't show

796
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:20,880
up

797
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:23,460
and that's the day that the Men in Black

798
00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:26,040
show up at his workplace on his day off

799
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:28,380
and that's what you see in the hotel uh

800
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:29,940
surveillance footage

801
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:32,339
now since Shane wasn't there these guys

802
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,440
come in

803
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:36,240
and they're asking about you know his

804
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,460
experience they're asking where is Shane

805
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,560
and his his co-workers are saying he's

806
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:42,240
not here he's off they didn't believe

807
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:43,380
him

808
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:45,480
or they didn't believe these men

809
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:47,880
and one of the workers she was so

810
00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:49,980
traumatized by this she she was

811
00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:51,900
practically in tears telling Shane this

812
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,940
story the next day it wasn't until Shane

813
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:56,040
came in that next day that he all of a

814
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,300
sudden all of his co-workers are saying

815
00:36:01,790 --> 00:35:59,520
hey look something took place here

816
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:01,800
and his security manager says hey I got

817
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:03,960
these guys on camera if something

818
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:05,220
happens to you because this is really

819
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:06,900
unusual I'm going to give you this you

820
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:09,300
know this video so that you have it

821
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,920
now some of those parking attendants

822
00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:13,440
they said that they saw these two men

823
00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:15,420
park on the far side of the parking lot

824
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:17,099
and they arrived in a completely black

825
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:19,800
uh um vehicle

826
00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:22,560
tinted windows all black

827
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:24,300
what was really unusual is the parking

828
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:25,440
attendant said that they couldn't

829
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:27,180
identify the make and model of this

830
00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:28,859
vehicle they'd never seen something like

831
00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:30,900
this before now they Park cars all day

832
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:32,940
long right

833
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,460
so for them to not know what kind of car

834
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:37,440
this is and then these guys get out of

835
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:38,940
the car they walk across the parking lot

836
00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:40,980
they enter in the hotel and that's what

837
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,800
we see but we never see them leave the

838
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,880
hotel

839
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:46,980
so that was I always wondered about that

840
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,119
so they were okay so

841
00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:54,480
um they come in and they are they

842
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:56,099
specifically well they're asking about

843
00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:59,700
Shane if if they could speak with Shane

844
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,640
um but did they did they talk did they

845
00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:05,040
bring up UFOs or ET

846
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:07,619
yeah with the one witness they did

847
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,780
um the one lady she said that it was

848
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,240
almost like they could read her mind and

849
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,160
they said uh the witness testimony was

850
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:16,619
like they these two men looked identical

851
00:37:23,530 --> 00:37:19,920
to one another almost like they they did

852
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:23,540
look very similar in the videos yeah

853
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:26,579
really unusual yeah they look like twins

854
00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:28,440
yeah well that's that's what they

855
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:31,500
described and and this this case this

856
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:33,240
was originally investigated you know I

857
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,740
mentioned Brian vike he was

858
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,480
investigating the UFO aspect he never

859
00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:38,640
got into the Men in Black stuff

860
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,740
um uh API

861
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:42,480
the aerial phenomenal investigations

862
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:45,720
team led by uh Marcia Barnhart and they

863
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:47,160
originally covered this Men In Black

864
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:48,480
angle

865
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:51,680
the video somehow made its way online

866
00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:54,960
BuzzFeed picked it up it went viral it's

867
00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:58,680
you know it just kind of it really it

868
00:38:01,790 --> 00:38:00,180
gave Shane and his family the attention

869
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:01,800
that they didn't want

870
00:38:06,890 --> 00:38:04,920
and it's similar to like the the aliens

871
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:06,900
in the backyard and Las Vegas uh story

872
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:08,940
that we're hearing about now right

873
00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:12,060
the media just bombarded Shane and he

874
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:14,040
just kind of like pushed a lot of that

875
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,680
away I got the chance to interview him

876
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:18,960
solid by luck just establishing a

877
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,480
relationship with Marsha and then she

878
00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:23,280
introduced me to Shane and Shane just

879
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:25,260
felt comfortable talking with me

880
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,000
but I started asking about some of these

881
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,800
other aspects beyond the initial

882
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,240
experience okay

883
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,880
what happened that wasn't related to the

884
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:34,079
Men in Black what happened that wasn't

885
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:35,940
related to the UFOs tell me about the

886
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,500
Paranormal stuff

887
00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:40,079
and to this very day Shane and his

888
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:41,700
family are still experiencing activity

889
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:43,859
not to that extent

890
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:45,540
but it's still it brings up the question

891
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:47,339
if there are certain people that are

892
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:48,420
kind of like

893
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,280
I don't know dare I say like chosen for

894
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,640
this or like they have some sort of

895
00:38:58,490 --> 00:38:54,960
metaphysical Beacon that goes off that

896
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,500
maybe the other side just latches on to

897
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:00,720
and maybe certain people just have a lot

898
00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:02,820
more experiences than others I would

899
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,339
love to interview that family out in Las

900
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:06,960
Vegas with the you know the aliens in

901
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:10,380
their backyard because I if that is a

902
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,180
legitimate story I bet you that there's

903
00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:14,400
a lot more to that story that may not

904
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:15,540
have been the first time that they

905
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:16,920
experienced something like that I bet

906
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:24,650
um I'm gonna write that down we'll find

907
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:27,720
a way to to Circle back to

908
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:30,180
to Las Vegas because

909
00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:33,780
so much happened last week right we have

910
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,460
um uh well if we consider what went down

911
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:40,640
in seven days

912
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,140
uh seven days ago uh a week ago we got

913
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:48,079
what's today

914
00:39:53,230 --> 00:39:51,900
right okay so let's back up nine days

915
00:39:56,089 --> 00:39:53,240
ago

916
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,099
it's been a crazy week right so it was

917
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,079
back up nine days ago contacting the

918
00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:00,240
desert is going on it's the last day of

919
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:02,940
the event it's Monday morning boom

920
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:05,460
David grush right the story breaks

921
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:08,720
Leslie Kane Ralph Blumenthal the debrief

922
00:40:16,970 --> 00:40:13,020
Micah hangs Tim McMillan and and that

923
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:16,980
story takes off and then uh it was like

924
00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:21,000
that that that the next day or the day

925
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:24,119
after is right right in there uh the Las

926
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:26,520
Vegas story broke and when the Las Vegas

927
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:29,940
story broke I went this is how early on

928
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:33,540
I jumped on this uh the video gets

929
00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:34,680
posted

930
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:37,740
the original I haven't gone back and and

931
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:40,320
done the Deep dive but anyway it was

932
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,000
like 30 29 000 views on the video yeah

933
00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:48,240
right one video on that one channel

934
00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:51,900
right video number one first post 29 000

935
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,300
views it just went off and I'm listening

936
00:40:58,490 --> 00:40:56,400
to the kid tell a story and he's showing

937
00:40:59,930 --> 00:40:58,500
the body cabin footage I don't know if

938
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,940
you've seen it but he's leaning forward

939
00:41:04,250 --> 00:41:02,160
and starting and stopping these videos

940
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:04,260
okay that video I don't know what the

941
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,280
count is today but there's a lot it's

942
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:10,619
got to be a lot of views I saw it at 29

943
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:13,800
000. so that was the kick after grush

944
00:41:18,430 --> 00:41:16,740
then this Las Vegas thing and the Las

945
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:18,440
Vegas thing

946
00:41:25,069 --> 00:41:22,980
continued to not only go viral but more

947
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:25,079
details started to emerge out of that

948
00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:27,900
and then what happens a week later which

949
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:31,140
is two days ago Stephen Greer has his

950
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:34,320
disclosure press uh thing out at the

951
00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:39,119
national Club so in in seven days we got

952
00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:43,500
more UFO right more UAB uh than we're

953
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:46,859
supposed to be able to handle out of Dr

954
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,220
Greer's and this is my point

955
00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:52,400
Dr Greer

956
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:56,579
and uh David grush and contact in the

957
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:00,000
desert all got blown out

958
00:42:06,010 --> 00:42:02,760
by a Las Vegas alien in the backyard

959
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:06,020
story The Press didn't have a problem

960
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,500
putting that on on the front page nobody

961
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:12,960
had a problem with making that go viral

962
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,260
meanwhile David grush says the United

963
00:42:20,569 --> 00:42:18,000
States government is in possession of

964
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:20,579
flying saucers but that wasn't as big a

965
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:23,640
deal as a family in Las Vegas with a

966
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,000
10-foot alien in their backyard it makes

967
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:29,280
me feel like the Las Vegas story was

968
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:33,780
deliberate to help Barry David grush I

969
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,579
don't think I'm wrong here

970
00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:37,440
yeah no that's an interesting angle and

971
00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:39,780
I hadn't thought about it like that

972
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:41,339
however

973
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:43,140
you know how the media is

974
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:45,960
you know the David grush story that's a

975
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:48,119
very complex story there's a lot of

976
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:50,520
moving pieces with that there's a lot to

977
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:51,480
it

978
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,599
not to mention he hasn't been able to

979
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,880
truly prove it the way that the public

980
00:43:00,770 --> 00:42:58,560
is demanding that the evidence come

981
00:43:02,270 --> 00:43:00,780
forward right which you know I

982
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:02,280
understand why but

983
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:05,160
now you go to the Vegas story

984
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:07,319
here you have police that were called

985
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:10,020
out to the scene here you have this

986
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:12,119
object that was spotted right before

987
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,819
they came out which may may be connected

988
00:43:18,349 --> 00:43:16,560
it may not be these could be two

989
00:43:20,770 --> 00:43:18,359
separate incidents you know that meteor

990
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,780
that was or whatever object

991
00:43:25,309 --> 00:43:23,760
yeah the blue light thing A lot of

992
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:25,319
people are linking that with what was

993
00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:27,060
seen in the backyard

994
00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:28,740
it could have just been coincidental

995
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:30,780
that these two events take place at the

996
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:33,180
same time but I think the media can wrap

997
00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:35,460
their heads around that a little bit

998
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:37,740
more again this is just speculation

999
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,700
right

1000
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,520
but I I feel bad for the family though

1001
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:42,960
because you know that they're just

1002
00:43:48,109 --> 00:43:45,599
getting bombarded by not just the media

1003
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:48,119
but you know all these you know

1004
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:50,460
researchers investigators enthusiasts

1005
00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:52,440
people who are trying to disprove the

1006
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:54,300
the event

1007
00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:56,280
and there and it just reminds me of the

1008
00:44:02,270 --> 00:43:58,740
Shane so far incident you know the the

1009
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:02,280
witness backs away for a while

1010
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,440
you know I just think we we forget

1011
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,720
sometimes that these are just ordinary

1012
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:08,640
people who are thrown into these

1013
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,400
extraordinary circumstances and they're

1014
00:44:16,609 --> 00:44:14,160
not like us right they're not equipped

1015
00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:16,619
to handle these things I mean the when

1016
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:18,119
you experience

1017
00:44:23,089 --> 00:44:20,220
something like to the extent that they

1018
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,099
did that's unnerving you know and if you

1019
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,960
watch the uh the video that the one

1020
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:26,760
witness posted you know from the Las

1021
00:44:30,109 --> 00:44:27,900
Vegas thing

1022
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:30,119
he mentioned something that

1023
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:32,700
I found very interesting is that he and

1024
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,579
his family prayed after that experience

1025
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:38,640
yeah I got that yeah so that tells me

1026
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:41,700
okay they have a spiritual background

1027
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,319
maybe they're looking at this from a

1028
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:44,880
different perspective we're looking at

1029
00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:46,859
it as like UFOs aliens right but maybe

1030
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,420
they're not maybe they're looking at us

1031
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:50,880
like demonic I mean because the way they

1032
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:54,000
describe these beings very tall that's

1033
00:44:56,569 --> 00:44:55,319
not something you hear in all the

1034
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:56,579
reports

1035
00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:59,460
you do however hear it about it in some

1036
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,740
of the reports right I mean I'm just

1037
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:03,599
thinking of like Stan Gordon when he

1038
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:05,160
wrote about um you know in silent

1039
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:07,319
Invasion with the the Bigfoot creatures

1040
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:10,920
being sighted with UFOs is that what

1041
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:13,079
what took place in this backyard maybe

1042
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:15,180
it wasn't alien you know in the the

1043
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,220
stereotypical you know alien gray sense

1044
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:19,920
but maybe it was something else well he

1045
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:23,099
also said uh well you said a lot of

1046
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,780
things but

1047
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:27,599
um he said one thing that uh oh okay

1048
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,200
well yeah I think he slipped up too in

1049
00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:34,560
one spot all right so let me hey he

1050
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:37,140
starts off the video uh because I I

1051
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:39,960
think all of this again ties into the

1052
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:42,599
Men in Black and Stephen Greer and David

1053
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:45,000
Crush believe it or not

1054
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:47,220
um it is he starts off the video and

1055
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:50,520
says look man uh I'm not a UFO guy right

1056
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:53,220
so he starts off with that

1057
00:46:00,609 --> 00:45:57,060
and then he says when the thing crashed

1058
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:00,619
in the backyard that everything went

1059
00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:04,740
hazy right and foggy and out of focus

1060
00:46:11,650 --> 00:46:09,180
and his mistake was he goes it was like

1061
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:11,660
I had sleep paralysis

1062
00:46:18,589 --> 00:46:14,819
and and that's that's the slip up if

1063
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:18,599
you're not an alien guy right because

1064
00:46:26,089 --> 00:46:23,339
sleep paralysis that is UFO 101 we all

1065
00:46:29,569 --> 00:46:26,099
know that we all it's right it's it's in

1066
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:29,579
the it's in the test that you take right

1067
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:31,140
yeah

1068
00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:34,319
sleep paralysis and that that was a

1069
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:38,520
stumble but he said this third thing

1070
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:40,680
that caught my attention

1071
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:44,400
he said they had big mouths yeah yeah I

1072
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,060
noticed that too strange one for me very

1073
00:46:53,809 --> 00:46:50,400
strange yeah because I've never heard of

1074
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:53,819
that ever not once not once that's

1075
00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:56,579
what's making me think that that this

1076
00:47:02,510 --> 00:47:00,180
may not be some sort of alien thing

1077
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:02,520
because it just doesn't now again that

1078
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:04,140
that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen

1079
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,240
right like we have to be careful not to

1080
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:08,400
put our preconceived notions of what we

1081
00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:11,220
think the phenomenon is but that is one

1082
00:47:15,710 --> 00:47:13,319
of the commonalities is

1083
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,720
you don't hear about these large mouths

1084
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,280
you know you don't hear you don't hear

1085
00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:19,200
about any mouth at all you know like I

1086
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:21,240
said that little slit or with the alien

1087
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:22,740
Grays that little

1088
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:25,319
absence of a mouth really

1089
00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:28,619
um yeah that that was that was peculiar

1090
00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:31,079
yeah that was strange and then I guess

1091
00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:33,660
the fourth point I I that's what you're

1092
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:36,660
telling me then if it's not aliens are

1093
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:40,380
you saying that the TV series from

1094
00:47:44,109 --> 00:47:42,300
is real is that what you're saying is

1095
00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:44,119
that what you're trying

1096
00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:48,359
the mouths on those who man anyway

1097
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,819
um he said

1098
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:53,359
it was breathing heavy

1099
00:47:59,569 --> 00:47:56,099
I've never heard that either

1100
00:48:03,890 --> 00:47:59,579
yeah yeah that's that's why I'm thinking

1101
00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:03,900
I this this is not alien related or what

1102
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:05,819
we would classify as early this is

1103
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:07,020
something else

1104
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:09,540
if it's legitimate now of course only he

1105
00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:12,300
knows he and his family know this right

1106
00:48:18,109 --> 00:48:15,480
but you know also his his uh usernames

1107
00:48:22,609 --> 00:48:18,119
that he's using what is it like Area 51

1108
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:22,619
just uh yeah I saw that uh Area 51 nft

1109
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,920
or something yeah you know it's but

1110
00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:27,660
again we have to

1111
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,700
we can't expect yeah and I'm not trying

1112
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,859
to defend this guy I don't know him I

1113
00:48:36,589 --> 00:48:33,359
don't know his family

1114
00:48:38,569 --> 00:48:36,599
but I'm just trying to look at it from a

1115
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:38,579
human perspective right

1116
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,740
these you know these people are not

1117
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:43,200
perfect if you have an experience

1118
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:45,960
you're not going to now schedule out

1119
00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:48,180
your whole marketing campaign or your PR

1120
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,660
you know a calendar and set it all up to

1121
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:53,280
talk to all these media outlets at just

1122
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:55,500
the right time I mean just take your

1123
00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:57,240
experience right with the the the

1124
00:49:01,790 --> 00:49:00,119
interesting census workers you weren't

1125
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,800
prepared to handle that right or else

1126
00:49:04,250 --> 00:49:03,359
you would have taken a photo you would

1127
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:04,260
have been

1128
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,500
you know in action but that's when these

1129
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:09,119
experiences take place when we least

1130
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:11,579
expect it when we're not ready

1131
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:13,740
and sometimes when we are ready our

1132
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:16,200
camera equipment fails you know or our

1133
00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:19,619
recorders stop working or

1134
00:49:23,450 --> 00:49:20,540
yeah

1135
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:23,460
now what about okay

1136
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,359
um the the Men in Black aspect uh we'll

1137
00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:29,280
come back to Las Vegas

1138
00:49:33,230 --> 00:49:31,619
um I have some more comments uh about

1139
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:33,240
this

1140
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:36,720
um listening to the testimony

1141
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:40,319
uh Stephen Greer's uh conference and if

1142
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,599
you haven't seen it it's not that big I

1143
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:45,119
mean it's not going to take away from my

1144
00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:48,540
question but in the testimony

1145
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:51,300
um from some of the military uh

1146
00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:53,579
Witnesses

1147
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,040
um it felt

1148
00:50:02,210 --> 00:49:58,800
like there was you know there was some

1149
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:02,220
killing going on to keep this all hushed

1150
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:05,160
up and that there were special ops teams

1151
00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:08,280
and there's there's things going on that

1152
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:10,859
are that are really really really bad to

1153
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:14,880
keep this uh under wrapped and you hear

1154
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:17,460
that and you can't help but be reminded

1155
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:21,420
of the Men in Black and you go back to

1156
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:25,619
grush from last week and his background

1157
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:30,060
right Afghanistan military nro UAP task

1158
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,300
force he's a secret agent right and and

1159
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:36,240
and and all of these things

1160
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:39,420
um it it these organizations do exist

1161
00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:41,400
and

1162
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:44,520
um he had to apply for a whistleblower

1163
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:48,960
protection because of of fear as well

1164
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:51,839
and is that because of what the Men in

1165
00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:55,619
Black suggest and and and and and pose

1166
00:51:00,410 --> 00:50:58,140
that fear are into everyone

1167
00:51:02,569 --> 00:51:00,420
yeah I mean there's no denying there is

1168
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,579
a fear element to this and a lot of the

1169
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:04,559
people that I've spoken with who have

1170
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:06,300
had these direct face-to-face encounters

1171
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:08,819
with with these strange people they do

1172
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,680
feel uneasy sometimes they feel

1173
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:12,000
threatened like with the Andrew Kelly

1174
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:14,040
case you know I mentioned

1175
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:17,640
there there are other cases that don't

1176
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:21,000
give off that oppression so if you have

1177
00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:22,440
time I can I can give you one of these

1178
00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:25,559
examples sure sure sure so uh there is

1179
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,020
an a guy that I interviewed he's a

1180
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:29,760
resident of the world which is up near

1181
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:31,619
Northwest England

1182
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,260
I think and his name is Gary Maddox and

1183
00:51:38,329 --> 00:51:36,480
Gary loves to hike and he and his

1184
00:51:41,089 --> 00:51:38,339
partner they hike the Scottish Highlands

1185
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:41,099
almost extensively now this was back in

1186
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,520
February or March of 2013 and their

1187
00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:47,520
hiking uh inverpoli Nature Reserve

1188
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:49,740
and which is I think far Northwest part

1189
00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:51,960
of Scotland and there's this one part of

1190
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:53,819
the reserve called stack pillai which

1191
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:55,980
they had climbed many times before and

1192
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:58,140
when you're going up this Trail you can

1193
00:52:01,370 --> 00:51:59,880
actually see your your card down below

1194
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:01,380
you can see the parking lot and they

1195
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:02,940
were the only ones on the mountain that

1196
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,220
day and it you know it's like early

1197
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:07,920
spring it's incredibly remote

1198
00:52:12,829 --> 00:52:10,640
and you know it's quiet it's clear

1199
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:12,839
they're about you know it takes about 90

1200
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:14,579
minutes to get the top from what Gary

1201
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:15,540
tells me and then you can move about

1202
00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:17,640
there anyways they're about 80 minutes

1203
00:52:22,130 --> 00:52:19,140
Under The Climb

1204
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,140
went out of nowhere this man in his 60s

1205
00:52:27,049 --> 00:52:24,960
to uh early 70s uh suddenly appears

1206
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:27,059
directly behind them and the man's

1207
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:28,260
moving up the mountain at an incredible

1208
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:29,700
rate of speed

1209
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:32,280
and you know Gary he told me that he is

1210
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:35,400
very aware of his surroundings when he's

1211
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:36,480
hiking there because he's always trying

1212
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:37,800
to take pictures he sent me a few of

1213
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:39,960
them they're really impressive he used

1214
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:41,460
to also be a semi-professional

1215
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:44,520
footballer so he was he's in or at that

1216
00:52:47,569 --> 00:52:46,260
time he was in excellent shape and he

1217
00:52:49,730 --> 00:52:47,579
said that he used to run up and down the

1218
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:49,740
mountains as part of his training but

1219
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:51,720
the thing that stood out to him was this

1220
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:52,680
man

1221
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:55,980
his speed from for what he was he was

1222
00:52:59,690 --> 00:52:57,540
climbing up this mountain and he didn't

1223
00:53:01,370 --> 00:52:59,700
show any signs of exhaustion or being

1224
00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:01,380
out of breath now this is the older man

1225
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:04,200
mind you 60s 70s and he said there's no

1226
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:06,540
way on Earth that this older man should

1227
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:08,280
be like completely

1228
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:10,680
he actually described as like a Serene

1229
00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:12,660
expression on his face

1230
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:14,700
but he had no hiking or walking the tire

1231
00:53:18,589 --> 00:53:16,680
of any kind and he's just wearing

1232
00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:18,599
sandals with socks

1233
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:20,339
yeah which Gary thought was a little

1234
00:53:25,069 --> 00:53:22,140
bizarre to be hiking up a mountain this

1235
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:25,079
way it also sucks because you know

1236
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:27,540
Gary's got the Footwear on right yeah

1237
00:53:32,809 --> 00:53:31,319
yeah yeah and you know uh as this man

1238
00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:32,819
moves past me just has this commissary

1239
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,680
and expression like his movements

1240
00:53:38,990 --> 00:53:37,200
require no effort at all and that's what

1241
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,000
he noticed then as he looked down at his

1242
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,800
feet he saw the sandals but he also said

1243
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,720
that the guy was barely lifting his legs

1244
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:44,880
his feet almost gliding along the trail

1245
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:46,920
like he was floating along as similar to

1246
00:53:51,470 --> 00:53:49,380
what Shane experienced with his old man

1247
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:51,480
um in in Canada but here's the weird

1248
00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:52,619
part

1249
00:53:57,950 --> 00:53:55,260
Gary Maddox told me that he noticed that

1250
00:53:59,870 --> 00:53:57,960
the man had no ears just a smooth head

1251
00:54:01,730 --> 00:53:59,880
and Teardrop eyes

1252
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,740
and he said and look I know this sounds

1253
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:04,079
weird but I swear to you that's what I

1254
00:54:07,309 --> 00:54:04,920
saw

1255
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:07,319
and this man just goes up the trail and

1256
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:09,000
just goes over the edge and they never

1257
00:54:13,549 --> 00:54:11,400
saw him again but you know who was this

1258
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,559
guy but I asked him I said did you feel

1259
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:15,119
threatened when this man walked by or

1260
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,319
did you have like an ominous feeling

1261
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,000
common with these strange people

1262
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,920
encounters and he said no it's quite the

1263
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:22,559
opposite it just felt peaceful

1264
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:26,160
so again what was that was that a man in

1265
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:29,460
Black you know or would we classify it

1266
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,540
as such

1267
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:32,760
I think we should start looking at this

1268
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,460
not as stereotypical Men In Black but

1269
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:37,440
more is just strange people encounters

1270
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,140
and I think this this is an extension of

1271
00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:42,000
the experience in general because Gary

1272
00:54:46,849 --> 00:54:44,819
has had a lot of other uh crazy events

1273
00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:46,859
but none like this this was a little

1274
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:50,940
unusual it can almost be

1275
00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:54,660
um I've heard uh so many encounters like

1276
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,940
this personally I've kind of had a

1277
00:55:00,049 --> 00:54:59,040
couple I don't like to talk about them

1278
00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:00,059
but

1279
00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:03,540
some kind of maybe time slip or maybe

1280
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:07,559
not even a time slip uh a parallel world

1281
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:11,040
crossover right where the two you know

1282
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:12,599
and you like you're walking in between

1283
00:55:17,710 --> 00:55:15,599
the two worlds just for a second you

1284
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:17,720
know for an hour whatever

1285
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,140
and that guy is on the same Trail in

1286
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:23,839
another dimension

1287
00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:26,640
you know what I mean or maybe maybe it's

1288
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:29,700
something like that which anything is

1289
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:32,339
possible right yeah yeah anything is

1290
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:34,680
possible but the reason one of the

1291
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:36,359
reasons why I also bring that up is it

1292
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:37,740
seems like a lot of these strange people

1293
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:40,559
encounters take place in parks

1294
00:55:43,609 --> 00:55:41,880
at least that's one of the common

1295
00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:43,619
threads that I seem to be coming across

1296
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,180
a lot more now

1297
00:55:51,290 --> 00:55:47,760
is there some sort of connection

1298
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,300
I don't know now what do you define I

1299
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:53,040
just got two minutes before the break

1300
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:55,619
what's your definition of strange person

1301
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:58,920
I'm just asking for a friend there you

1302
00:56:01,670 --> 00:56:00,180
go

1303
00:56:05,089 --> 00:56:01,680
people that

1304
00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:05,099
seem highly unusual

1305
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:07,140
but more importantly they have a highly

1306
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:09,480
unusual interaction and when those two

1307
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:11,579
things go hand in hand I think now you

1308
00:56:18,049 --> 00:56:14,460
have a strange person encounter but also

1309
00:56:20,450 --> 00:56:18,059
that physical description too that sense

1310
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:20,460
of that there are saving that

1311
00:56:24,589 --> 00:56:22,440
metaphysical aspect too where you feel

1312
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:24,599
like you're connecting with them on a

1313
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:26,460
different level that words can't

1314
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:28,200
describe or that you can't quite measure

1315
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:31,020
you know that psychic kind of Link

1316
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:33,720
so those four things so strange the way

1317
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:36,180
that they look the way that they act

1318
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:38,040
and the way that they connect with you

1319
00:56:42,109 --> 00:56:40,920
in the way that they interact with you

1320
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:42,119
do

1321
00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:49,140
to be funny I'm not being Cavalier

1322
00:56:56,569 --> 00:56:53,339
do pets react to you know your dog will

1323
00:56:59,390 --> 00:56:56,579
bark at somebody that they don't like

1324
00:57:02,089 --> 00:56:59,400
right do you understand where I'm going

1325
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,099
with this dude yeah and I saw this

1326
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,839
question come in there you know uh to

1327
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:06,079
the pets react to the MIP

1328
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:10,680
this was in the chat yeah yeah I I it's

1329
00:57:16,250 --> 00:57:12,420
not me focus on me don't worry about the

1330
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:16,260
jet you watch the chat yeah we you're

1331
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:18,540
you have no idea where that thing is

1332
00:57:23,390 --> 00:57:21,900
about to lead you down no no no the only

1333
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:23,400
reason I bring it up is because you know

1334
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:26,240
you had started here but the um right

1335
00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:28,740
the I think that's a really interesting

1336
00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:31,140
question and I'm going to pay attention

1337
00:57:34,790 --> 00:57:32,700
to that because I had never thought

1338
00:57:37,549 --> 00:57:34,800
about that I mean a lot of times pets

1339
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:37,559
and animals will react to the phenomenon

1340
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:40,980
and babies and they're kids right right

1341
00:57:47,569 --> 00:57:45,000
they see and react they they see through

1342
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:47,579
the facade right they see through the

1343
00:57:51,049 --> 00:57:48,900
mask

1344
00:57:52,790 --> 00:57:51,059
right they see through the deception you

1345
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,800
can't you can't be as a kid you can't be

1346
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:54,240
as a dog

1347
00:57:59,809 --> 00:57:57,000
yeah but I I don't have any reports

1348
00:58:03,549 --> 00:57:59,819
firsthand about this I've not heard of

1349
00:58:06,770 --> 00:58:03,559
it but I will ask about it going forward

1350
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:06,780
yeah I think it's a very interesting and

1351
00:58:14,930 --> 00:58:10,559
uh one last uh quick question

1352
00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:14,940
um about uh Shane silvar

1353
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,780
um you said that they were not uh nobody

1354
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,599
saw them leave right

1355
00:58:26,089 --> 00:58:23,520
um what about the parking attendance did

1356
00:58:27,770 --> 00:58:26,099
the parking attendants uh see them get

1357
00:58:31,849 --> 00:58:27,780
back in their car

1358
00:58:34,849 --> 00:58:31,859
no for to my knowledge no uh they just

1359
00:58:36,349 --> 00:58:34,859
they're just gone so I don't know now

1360
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:36,359
what's really interesting about that

1361
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:38,760
security camera footage Shane told me

1362
00:58:43,010 --> 00:58:40,440
that he was trying to make the case to

1363
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,020
the owner of the hotel to upgrade his uh

1364
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:45,839
security footage and had that happened

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00:58:50,809 --> 00:58:48,900
we would have had a crystal clear image

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00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,819
of these two guys walking in but of

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00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:52,799
course didn't happen

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00:58:58,730 --> 00:58:55,740
you know and I I think um

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00:59:02,210 --> 00:58:58,740
um many of us over the years it's such a

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00:59:05,210 --> 00:59:02,220
famous video right that

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00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:05,220
um I think a lot of people just assumed

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00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,040
that it's just some security footage of

1373
00:59:13,789 --> 00:59:11,280
a couple of dudes that that look a

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00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:13,799
little creepy and let's just tag it as

1375
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:16,559
Men In Black and and watch this thing go

1376
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:20,640
viral that there was an actual story in

1377
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:24,540
the history behind this and and what

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00:59:31,730 --> 00:59:27,839
they did uh they entered the hotel and

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00:59:33,950 --> 00:59:31,740
interviewed Hotel employees about Shane

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00:59:36,109 --> 00:59:33,960
um most people don't know that part of

1381
00:59:38,270 --> 00:59:36,119
the story they just think it's just a

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00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:38,280
couple of couple of dudes in fedoras

1383
00:59:43,789 --> 00:59:40,200
right yeah yeah

1384
00:59:45,950 --> 00:59:43,799
yeah yeah it's one of those stories that

1385
00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:45,960
you know I I felt like

1386
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,420
there's a lot of disinformation when in

1387
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:50,160
regards to this topic and and the

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00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,380
phenomena in general so

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00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,720
I felt like I whenever I'm telling

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01:00:00,829 --> 00:59:57,119
somebody's story I owe it to them to get

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01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,839
the story right to tell all the details

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01:00:04,490 --> 01:00:02,880
even if they don't fit in my

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01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:04,500
preconceived notions right or my

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01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:05,880
category in my neatly packaged

1395
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:08,520
categorical boxes like I still have a

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01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:10,920
duty to tell the story the way that they

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01:00:15,770 --> 01:00:13,619
told it to me and I go into more detail

1398
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:15,780
with that specific one in my book uh the

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Spectrum in case anybody wants to read

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01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:19,220
more into it

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01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:23,640
Let's uh actually do just that and uh

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01:00:28,910 --> 01:00:26,220
we'll take our break right here and I

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01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:28,920
want everybody to watch Justin's eyes as

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01:00:37,690 --> 01:00:32,460
he reads the last comment in the chat

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01:00:43,370 --> 01:00:40,970
all right we will be right back I guess

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01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:43,380
tonight Justin bamforth we are talking

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about the Men in Black stay with us this

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mural should be church tonight Our Guest

1504
01:04:53,150 --> 01:04:50,400
is Justin Bamford and we're talking

1505
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:53,160
about the Men in Black and what I would

1506
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:56,880
like to do uh Justin is uh I want to

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01:05:01,250 --> 01:04:58,740
talk about the book the Spectrum and of

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01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:01,260
course the title of the book is

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01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:05,160
something that we need to dive into but

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01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:09,240
before we get there what what what led

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01:05:14,770 --> 01:05:12,960
you here did you have a twisted aunt or

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01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:14,780
uncle that

1513
01:05:20,410 --> 01:05:17,640
did you have your own siding as a kid

1514
01:05:22,910 --> 01:05:20,420
did something happen growing up what

1515
01:05:26,030 --> 01:05:22,920
everybody's got their own reason their

1516
01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:26,040
own personal experience yeah I think a

1517
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,480
lot of your listeners can certainly

1518
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:29,280
relate to this you know that the

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01:05:33,010 --> 01:05:31,920
phenomenon that we don't choose to get

1520
01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:33,020
into this

1521
01:05:38,809 --> 01:05:37,020
the phenomenon tends to choose us and a

1522
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,819
lot of times there is that personal

1523
01:05:43,490 --> 01:05:40,799
experience and it's that lifetime of

1524
01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:43,500
experiences that kind of brings us in

1525
01:05:47,690 --> 01:05:45,720
and we can't we can't really get out of

1526
01:05:50,450 --> 01:05:47,700
it and that's what happened to me at an

1527
01:05:51,950 --> 01:05:50,460
early age I grew up and what I thought

1528
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:51,960
was a haunted house

1529
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:54,480
but looking back on it now with the

1530
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,220
knowledge that I have now or the

1531
01:06:00,829 --> 01:05:59,280
foolishness foolishness whatever is

1532
01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:00,839
I think it was more of a haunted

1533
01:06:07,010 --> 01:06:03,780
experience that was kind of triggered by

1534
01:06:08,569 --> 01:06:07,020
maybe the energy that was going on at

1535
01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:08,579
that time my parents were going through

1536
01:06:11,809 --> 01:06:10,980
a divorce it was not a really Pleasant

1537
01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:11,819
time

1538
01:06:15,950 --> 01:06:13,980
and I think that kind of kicked up some

1539
01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:15,960
rather negative energy to kind of

1540
01:06:21,170 --> 01:06:18,660
manifest and that's kind of what we

1541
01:06:23,390 --> 01:06:21,180
experienced but after that

1542
01:06:25,250 --> 01:06:23,400
I was really interested in the topic I I

1543
01:06:27,049 --> 01:06:25,260
wanted to read more about it find out if

1544
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:27,059
there are other people who had similar

1545
01:06:30,529 --> 01:06:28,559
experiences

1546
01:06:31,970 --> 01:06:30,539
and I found out that there was and it's

1547
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:31,980
just you know one Rabbit Hole leads to

1548
01:06:35,870 --> 01:06:33,660
another I started connecting with other

1549
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,880
paranormal groups started learning the

1550
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:37,200
ropes

1551
01:06:41,089 --> 01:06:39,599
I never formally joined a group

1552
01:06:42,529 --> 01:06:41,099
I've always been an independent

1553
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:42,539
researcher and investigator but I've

1554
01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:45,119
collaborated with a lot of other teams

1555
01:06:48,770 --> 01:06:46,980
and I've learned a lot from them as well

1556
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:48,780
and I think that's kind of how we have

1557
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:51,539
to approach this topic is not just you

1558
01:06:56,589 --> 01:06:54,000
know ghost hunting groups UFO people

1559
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:56,599
Bigfoot people or Cryptid researchers

1560
01:07:01,309 --> 01:06:59,640
it's all connected it's there's all this

1561
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,319
overlap there's all of these

1562
01:07:05,809 --> 01:07:03,359
similarities I think we just kind of

1563
01:07:07,549 --> 01:07:05,819
have to join forces really and just

1564
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,559
share that data and I think we'd be

1565
01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:09,839
surprised at what we uncover what were

1566
01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:12,420
your parents like

1567
01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:15,720
so they always you know they weren't

1568
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:17,220
they weren't really into this they

1569
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:18,599
didn't talk about it they weren't you

1570
01:07:23,569 --> 01:07:21,480
know Ghost Chasers or UFO Watchers

1571
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:23,579
but they did have their own experiences

1572
01:07:26,510 --> 01:07:25,260
that they stuck to

1573
01:07:28,010 --> 01:07:26,520
um you know when I would ask about them

1574
01:07:30,829 --> 01:07:28,020
they would they would share with some of

1575
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:30,839
these and one of those was a UFO

1576
01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:33,359
sighting that my dad had in the 60s

1577
01:07:38,329 --> 01:07:34,980
and he even had a strange people

1578
01:07:41,210 --> 01:07:38,339
encounter after that what happened

1579
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:41,220
so this was uh let's see I think that

1580
01:07:51,770 --> 01:07:48,650
roughly late 60s up in York County

1581
01:07:53,630 --> 01:07:51,780
Pennsylvania and he was with a friend of

1582
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,640
his uh named Tim

1583
01:07:58,910 --> 01:07:56,160
and they're coming back from school

1584
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:58,920
and my dad sees some you know sees this

1585
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:01,680
like uh this road that he had never been

1586
01:08:06,109 --> 01:08:04,319
to before and he tells Tim hey can you

1587
01:08:08,029 --> 01:08:06,119
just pull off this road let's go up this

1588
01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:08,039
hill let's see if this would be a a good

1589
01:08:11,450 --> 01:08:09,720
place that you know some of our friends

1590
01:08:14,210 --> 01:08:11,460
can kind of meet at and have a party

1591
01:08:15,410 --> 01:08:14,220
right right so they park at the top of

1592
01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:15,420
this hill

1593
01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:17,580
and then out of the out of nowhere this

1594
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:18,900
is about eight o'clock nine o'clock at

1595
01:08:24,410 --> 01:08:22,440
night a object starts rising up above

1596
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:24,420
the hill my dad described it as his

1597
01:08:29,150 --> 01:08:27,359
cigar a cigar shaped object with two

1598
01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:29,160
lights on either end

1599
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,839
and you couldn't really make it out

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01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:33,120
except for those lights it illuminated

1601
01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:35,580
the the shape and they see this object

1602
01:08:39,769 --> 01:08:37,620
come up over the hill

1603
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:39,779
completely silent he rolls down the

1604
01:08:44,450 --> 01:08:41,460
window and he's like yo Tim check this

1605
01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:44,460
out like this is what is this at first

1606
01:08:48,110 --> 01:08:46,140
he thought that it was like a helicopter

1607
01:08:50,570 --> 01:08:48,120
but there's no sound and then they see

1608
01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:50,580
this object go up over the woods and go

1609
01:08:55,729 --> 01:08:53,880
down into the woods and at that point my

1610
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:55,739
dad and his friend are filled with such

1611
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,839
intense fear that they just hightailed

1612
01:09:02,510 --> 01:08:59,279
it out of there

1613
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,520
and the next day I think it was uh Tim

1614
01:09:06,769 --> 01:09:04,319
who was a part-time reporter for the

1615
01:09:08,809 --> 01:09:06,779
Sunday news up there in York County

1616
01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:08,819
he told his boss who was the editor of

1617
01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:09,960
the paper

1618
01:09:13,789 --> 01:09:12,060
and his boss goes okay yeah let's let's

1619
01:09:15,709 --> 01:09:13,799
print this story

1620
01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:15,719
and they start doing some digging around

1621
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:17,640
they find out that there are other UFO

1622
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:19,859
sightings in that same region around

1623
01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:22,319
that same time and I found the original

1624
01:09:26,090 --> 01:09:24,540
newspaper clipping and it was really

1625
01:09:28,970 --> 01:09:26,100
interesting to see my dad's name there

1626
01:09:30,829 --> 01:09:28,980
and see his his testimony and Tim's

1627
01:09:32,209 --> 01:09:30,839
testimony and some of these other

1628
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:32,219
reports

1629
01:09:39,769 --> 01:09:38,329
yeah it was a it was seven people from

1630
01:09:41,329 --> 01:09:39,779
two different sections of York County

1631
01:09:43,249 --> 01:09:41,339
have reported seeing one or more

1632
01:09:44,990 --> 01:09:43,259
unidentified flying objects in the past

1633
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:45,000
two weeks according to information

1634
01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:47,279
supplied to Sunday News the people call

1635
01:09:51,709 --> 01:09:49,859
the objects they saw flying saucers my

1636
01:09:54,169 --> 01:09:51,719
dad did not call it a flying saucer he

1637
01:09:56,270 --> 01:09:54,179
said it was cigar shaped so after this

1638
01:09:59,150 --> 01:09:56,280
story printed

1639
01:10:02,990 --> 01:09:59,160
then Tim gets a phone call from a family

1640
01:10:05,330 --> 01:10:03,000
in Hanover which is right there in that

1641
01:10:07,310 --> 01:10:05,340
General vicinity and the family said hey

1642
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:07,320
we have more information about this UFO

1643
01:10:11,689 --> 01:10:08,880
would you like to come over to our house

1644
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:11,699
and we can talk to you about it so Tim

1645
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,800
calls my dad up and my dad goes yeah

1646
01:10:18,530 --> 01:10:15,600
sure is it okay if I bring my girlfriend

1647
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:18,540
K and so all three of them go there to

1648
01:10:23,090 --> 01:10:20,219
this random family's house you know

1649
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:23,100
today we would not do that right but uh

1650
01:10:27,709 --> 01:10:25,380
it's a different time back then

1651
01:10:29,390 --> 01:10:27,719
so they show up at this house

1652
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,400
and it's about seven or eight at night

1653
01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:31,679
and they're greeted by husband and wife

1654
01:10:36,649 --> 01:10:34,140
who my dad said look quite young and

1655
01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:36,659
they're two kids in their early teens

1656
01:10:40,729 --> 01:10:38,580
now the family did introduce themselves

1657
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:40,739
by name but you know he doesn't remember

1658
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:42,540
but he just remembers that they all

1659
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,100
looked eerily similar to one another

1660
01:10:48,110 --> 01:10:46,320
they all had they were all very tall

1661
01:10:50,890 --> 01:10:48,120
with the same dark colored black hair

1662
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:50,900
and then usually pale skin

1663
01:10:55,130 --> 01:10:53,760
so here we go another commonality with

1664
01:10:58,729 --> 01:10:55,140
the looking alike and the pale skin

1665
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,739
right and he said that this family

1666
01:11:01,490 --> 01:11:00,000
um you know they quickly brought him

1667
01:11:02,450 --> 01:11:01,500
into the room and it was a very small

1668
01:11:04,430 --> 01:11:02,460
house

1669
01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:04,440
and which is strange if they're tall

1670
01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:06,360
people but they go to the dining room

1671
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:09,960
table and the family then the kids go

1672
01:11:14,030 --> 01:11:11,520
away and it's just the husband and wife

1673
01:11:15,410 --> 01:11:14,040
and they're showing my dad and Tim and

1674
01:11:17,630 --> 01:11:15,420
his girlfriend and my dad's girlfriend

1675
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:17,640
all these UFO photos

1676
01:11:23,149 --> 01:11:20,159
but it he said that there were like two

1677
01:11:26,689 --> 01:11:23,159
or three big photo albums and my dad

1678
01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:26,699
described it as a lot of just UFOs but

1679
01:11:31,610 --> 01:11:29,400
aerial photography of UFOs

1680
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,620
and he said like you know there are lots

1681
01:11:35,689 --> 01:11:33,360
of these pictures groups of UFOs and

1682
01:11:39,169 --> 01:11:35,699
formations or different formations and

1683
01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:39,179
he said some of them uh said classified

1684
01:11:43,850 --> 01:11:41,699
which my dad thought was really odd and

1685
01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:43,860
at that time he thought okay nobody

1686
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,060
would have access to this information

1687
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:47,040
unless you were like with the Pentagon

1688
01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:48,239
or something right

1689
01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:50,460
so he asked the family this and they he

1690
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:52,020
said that they gave him some excuse and

1691
01:11:57,229 --> 01:11:53,280
whatever

1692
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:57,239
began thinking like this is just so

1693
01:12:01,010 --> 01:11:58,560
bizarre and then the family starts

1694
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:01,020
showing him pictures of alien beings

1695
01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:03,600
which look like humanoids and my dad

1696
01:12:08,689 --> 01:12:05,580
said that he remembered seeing a photo

1697
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:08,699
of a man that uh he remembers quite

1698
01:12:14,030 --> 01:12:10,860
vividly he said it looked like a man

1699
01:12:15,649 --> 01:12:14,040
with blonde hair and he had kind of like

1700
01:12:17,149 --> 01:12:15,659
a laurel wreath similar to like what

1701
01:12:18,770 --> 01:12:17,159
Caesar wore

1702
01:12:20,810 --> 01:12:18,780
and the family gave more background as

1703
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:20,820
to who this alien was but he doesn't

1704
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:21,840
remember that

1705
01:12:25,010 --> 01:12:23,460
and he just thought it was so absurd and

1706
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:25,020
he began to think okay this must be like

1707
01:12:28,729 --> 01:12:26,640
a hoax these guys are you know pulling

1708
01:12:30,050 --> 01:12:28,739
my chain whatever but the more time he

1709
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,060
sat in the house he began to notice

1710
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:32,880
something unique even more unusual what

1711
01:12:37,970 --> 01:12:36,239
was more unusual but bad he said that

1712
01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:37,980
the family

1713
01:12:43,070 --> 01:12:41,460
they had completely black eyes

1714
01:12:44,990 --> 01:12:43,080
and I asked my dad I said what do you

1715
01:12:47,450 --> 01:12:45,000
mean just like the color of their eyes

1716
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,460
or and he says no no the entire white

1717
01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:48,960
you know like how we have whites in our

1718
01:12:53,689 --> 01:12:51,480
eyes completely black

1719
01:12:55,729 --> 01:12:53,699
and he said that there was there's just

1720
01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:55,739
solid black no whites whatsoever and

1721
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,420
apparently he was the only one who

1722
01:13:01,010 --> 01:12:59,760
picked up on this too because he asked

1723
01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:01,020
his friends afterwards he said hey

1724
01:13:04,189 --> 01:13:02,820
didn't you notice that their eyes were

1725
01:13:06,830 --> 01:13:04,199
like the same and all completely black

1726
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:06,840
and they said no we hadn't noticed

1727
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:10,560
and I wonder if you know was this some

1728
01:13:14,570 --> 01:13:12,960
aspect that maybe he picked up I don't

1729
01:13:16,850 --> 01:13:14,580
know dare I say I don't like a psychical

1730
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:16,860
sense maybe he had some so he was in

1731
01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:19,560
tune with something I don't know but he

1732
01:13:23,630 --> 01:13:22,140
was meant to see it yeah it freaked him

1733
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:23,640
out so they only spent like an hour at

1734
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:26,100
the house and as they were leaving the

1735
01:13:30,290 --> 01:13:28,560
family said to uh to Tim hey if you ever

1736
01:13:33,169 --> 01:13:30,300
want to come back we can show you more

1737
01:13:34,669 --> 01:13:33,179
things whatever and my dad didn't want

1738
01:13:36,890 --> 01:13:34,679
to have anything else to do with it he's

1739
01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:36,900
not sure if Tim went back and visited

1740
01:13:41,209 --> 01:13:38,280
the family again

1741
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:41,219
but about a year or so later he said

1742
01:13:45,709 --> 01:13:43,380
that Tim began to deny and discount the

1743
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,719
whole UFO experience he just said it

1744
01:13:49,850 --> 01:13:48,000
never took place and my dad that really

1745
01:13:52,729 --> 01:13:49,860
ticked off my dad because he was like

1746
01:13:54,890 --> 01:13:52,739
look you we saw it and I'm you know I'm

1747
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,900
gonna back you up with this we even you

1748
01:13:59,090 --> 01:13:56,880
printed this story you told the you know

1749
01:14:01,370 --> 01:13:59,100
the the Sunday news we met the family

1750
01:14:03,890 --> 01:14:01,380
and he just never want to talk about it

1751
01:14:07,810 --> 01:14:03,900
you know my dad's friend so

1752
01:14:11,570 --> 01:14:07,820
wow and uh

1753
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:11,580
have you ever met Tim I did no

1754
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,719
no

1755
01:14:16,850 --> 01:14:14,880
um that's that's one of my um one of my

1756
01:14:19,490 --> 01:14:16,860
missions that I'm still doing

1757
01:14:22,189 --> 01:14:19,500
um you know this this story my dad told

1758
01:14:23,930 --> 01:14:22,199
me when I was a kid and I went up to the

1759
01:14:26,510 --> 01:14:23,940
hill with him when I was a kid and I

1760
01:14:28,490 --> 01:14:26,520
took photos of the region and in one of

1761
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,500
the recent presentations that I gave I I

1762
01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:30,719
show these photos and I posted up on

1763
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,580
YouTube if anybody wants to watch it but

1764
01:14:38,570 --> 01:14:35,040
it's it's a really profound experience

1765
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:38,580
it's one that I could tell shook up my

1766
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:39,360
dad

1767
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,280
um he tells it the exact same way now as

1768
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,960
he did back then

1769
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,640
but you know I've given him some

1770
01:14:48,169 --> 01:14:46,800
additional things to think about you

1771
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:48,179
know again involving the the Men in

1772
01:14:52,130 --> 01:14:50,280
Black or strange people angle

1773
01:14:53,689 --> 01:14:52,140
and it's it's really interesting and I

1774
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:53,699
really grilled my dad about some of

1775
01:14:58,010 --> 01:14:55,920
these details and he just he stuck with

1776
01:14:59,870 --> 01:14:58,020
it he's like look there are some things

1777
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:59,880
that I don't remember I don't recall I'm

1778
01:15:02,570 --> 01:15:00,960
not going to make them up but this is

1779
01:15:03,950 --> 01:15:02,580
what I do remember and these are the

1780
01:15:06,290 --> 01:15:03,960
things that stood out and it was the

1781
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:06,300
eyes the strange family and the UFO

1782
01:15:15,250 --> 01:15:10,800
experience yeah and I love the cigar

1783
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:15,260
description if I read or hear about

1784
01:15:20,570 --> 01:15:18,480
another cigar sighting

1785
01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:20,580
I think I'm just gonna go out and crash

1786
01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:24,300
my car because I haven't seen one you

1787
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:25,320
know I've seen I've seen everything

1788
01:15:29,810 --> 01:15:27,360
that's a plasma I've seen flying saucers

1789
01:15:32,510 --> 01:15:29,820
and black try well I haven't seen a

1790
01:15:34,370 --> 01:15:32,520
black triangle I photographed one and

1791
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:34,380
didn't know it was a black triangle till

1792
01:15:40,850 --> 01:15:38,760
after I developed uh the picture

1793
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,860
um you're too young to remember but we

1794
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,239
used to have this thing called film

1795
01:15:47,689 --> 01:15:44,239
right

1796
01:15:51,649 --> 01:15:47,699
yes I know what film is

1797
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:51,659
in the camera yeah and uh uh you could

1798
01:15:58,669 --> 01:15:54,540
take four flash pictures

1799
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:58,679
um before you reply anyway so uh after

1800
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:01,920
the the film was developed and I looked

1801
01:16:06,890 --> 01:16:05,100
at the picture I I just wish I mean it

1802
01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:06,900
did some remarkable things in the sky

1803
01:16:12,050 --> 01:16:09,960
but it was just a black dot right I

1804
01:16:15,050 --> 01:16:12,060
couldn't see until the picture was

1805
01:16:20,510 --> 01:16:15,060
developed but I have never seen

1806
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:20,520
a cigar shape and so when I hear cigar

1807
01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:21,920
shaped

1808
01:16:29,209 --> 01:16:26,219
it's a black pen right yep and this is

1809
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:29,219
you know what I mean this is what I

1810
01:16:35,209 --> 01:16:31,020
picture the UFO

1811
01:16:36,530 --> 01:16:35,219
right or are they seeing a saucer from

1812
01:16:37,450 --> 01:16:36,540
the side

1813
01:16:42,290 --> 01:16:37,460
yeah

1814
01:16:43,729 --> 01:16:42,300
or because to say cigar yes car is

1815
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:43,739
saying that they're watching this go

1816
01:16:50,649 --> 01:16:46,320
across the sky and they can see the

1817
01:16:54,830 --> 01:16:50,659
shape is a tube right and I've never

1818
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:54,840
yeah I've never I've never seen that but

1819
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,120
um it sounds like uh with your father

1820
01:17:03,470 --> 01:16:59,040
when he's saying that you know cigar

1821
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,480
shape we are picturing I don't want to

1822
01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:05,760
ask you about this sure that is a very

1823
01:17:18,350 --> 01:17:12,590
when we hear cigar shape at least for me

1824
01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:18,360
I'm picturing this side view but are the

1825
01:17:26,090 --> 01:17:23,400
witnesses seeing this right yeah you

1826
01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:26,100
know an angle you know maybe they're

1827
01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:28,620
seeing it like this

1828
01:17:33,770 --> 01:17:31,320
where you're now looking at the 3D

1829
01:17:36,910 --> 01:17:33,780
aspect of it and that's why they are

1830
01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:36,920
describing it as a cigar they're not

1831
01:17:43,970 --> 01:17:40,140
necessarily looking at

1832
01:17:46,970 --> 01:17:43,980
um if I right here's a quarter the side

1833
01:17:48,530 --> 01:17:46,980
view of a quarter right okay well the

1834
01:17:50,510 --> 01:17:48,540
corner is shaped like this but if you're

1835
01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:50,520
looking at it like this what would you

1836
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:52,860
describe that as well it was a straight

1837
01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:54,900
line you know what I mean yeah I totally

1838
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,860
know what you mean and that's a good

1839
01:17:58,910 --> 01:17:57,600
point that that very well may be the

1840
01:18:02,990 --> 01:17:58,920
case

1841
01:18:07,070 --> 01:18:03,000
yeah I've never so with your father did

1842
01:18:10,370 --> 01:18:07,080
did he tell you what view he was he just

1843
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:10,380
because this was at night he that's how

1844
01:18:14,450 --> 01:18:12,000
he described it to me he said that it

1845
01:18:16,970 --> 01:18:14,460
was just it was a cigar shape there were

1846
01:18:18,770 --> 01:18:16,980
two lights on either end of it and again

1847
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:18,780
he couldn't make out the true definition

1848
01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:21,840
of the object so maybe it was just that

1849
01:18:26,090 --> 01:18:24,360
one side right but if it wasn't for

1850
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:26,100
those lights I don't think he would have

1851
01:18:30,050 --> 01:18:28,560
been able to see anything at all so but

1852
01:18:31,610 --> 01:18:30,060
he said those lights were just so bright

1853
01:18:34,970 --> 01:18:31,620
and it was a I think it was an orange

1854
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:34,980
and a white light but uh he said it was

1855
01:18:39,169 --> 01:18:37,199
just the lights were illuminated on just

1856
01:18:41,390 --> 01:18:39,179
both sides there was no pulsating it was

1857
01:18:44,510 --> 01:18:41,400
just constantly lit and it was moving

1858
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,520
very very slowly too so in fact he got

1859
01:18:48,410 --> 01:18:45,840
the impression that it was going to land

1860
01:18:50,270 --> 01:18:48,420
in the woods and the next

1861
01:18:52,490 --> 01:18:50,280
um he and his friends went back out to

1862
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:52,500
the woods you know before the story was

1863
01:18:57,130 --> 01:18:54,000
printed in the news

1864
01:18:59,870 --> 01:18:57,140
and they checked it out and there was no

1865
01:19:01,610 --> 01:18:59,880
no physical evidence no trace evidence

1866
01:19:03,410 --> 01:19:01,620
and he began to think okay maybe maybe

1867
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:03,420
this didn't happen you know because he

1868
01:19:05,930 --> 01:19:05,040
was expecting to find something out

1869
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:05,940
there

1870
01:19:12,290 --> 01:19:08,820
but I don't know it's 1968 they had

1871
01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:12,300
really good drugs back then not like

1872
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,300
that we've got now yeah no that was look

1873
01:19:19,130 --> 01:19:16,800
that was one of the questions that I

1874
01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:19,140
always ask any witness as I I asked them

1875
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:20,940
all right were you sober when you had

1876
01:19:25,130 --> 01:19:22,560
this experience right right right right

1877
01:19:27,169 --> 01:19:25,140
and I've had people who weren't sober

1878
01:19:29,689 --> 01:19:27,179
and I have to Discount those rewards

1879
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:29,699
because again you know drugs are a heck

1880
01:19:37,850 --> 01:19:32,480
of a thing right they are a good thing

1881
01:19:41,450 --> 01:19:37,860
they are as a um I have never been I let

1882
01:19:44,030 --> 01:19:41,460
me think about this

1883
01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:44,040
I've never been high during a UFO

1884
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:47,940
sighting I I'm pretty confident in

1885
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:50,159
saying that and I've had a little poof a

1886
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,040
little drink or two but uh I've I've

1887
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:55,679
never been high but

1888
01:20:01,010 --> 01:19:57,679
um I had um

1889
01:20:02,510 --> 01:20:01,020
this is a classic example of what we're

1890
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,520
talking about

1891
01:20:08,330 --> 01:20:04,800
again I'll make this very brief

1892
01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:08,340
uh one of my friends from Junior High in

1893
01:20:13,729 --> 01:20:11,820
high school seems Javier Javier sedania

1894
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:13,739
and this was down in Central America

1895
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:15,840
this is in Panama this is in another

1896
01:20:21,410 --> 01:20:18,960
country but he was the drummer in our

1897
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:21,420
high school band right a great drummer

1898
01:20:26,030 --> 01:20:24,480
still still he's in bands today he lives

1899
01:20:28,729 --> 01:20:26,040
here in Southern California

1900
01:20:32,510 --> 01:20:28,739
so he comes over to my house

1901
01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:32,520
and you know Jason Martel from Ancient

1902
01:20:37,850 --> 01:20:34,500
Aliens right

1903
01:20:39,649 --> 01:20:37,860
um so Jason is there we're having dinner

1904
01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:39,659
Jason

1905
01:20:44,990 --> 01:20:43,140
um he had a friend with him and uh it

1906
01:20:47,390 --> 01:20:45,000
was about I don't know maybe eight or

1907
01:20:50,810 --> 01:20:47,400
ten of us and we're sitting having

1908
01:20:53,570 --> 01:20:50,820
dinner and Javier says this and Justin

1909
01:20:57,229 --> 01:20:53,580
I'm not making up any of this

1910
01:21:01,310 --> 01:20:59,810
remember that UFO we saw when we were

1911
01:21:04,370 --> 01:21:01,320
kids

1912
01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:04,380
I go what

1913
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:06,900
because remember so we were all out we

1914
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:09,600
were we were out at the spot that I said

1915
01:21:16,130 --> 01:21:12,239
yeah okay we had this spot that we all

1916
01:21:18,590 --> 01:21:16,140
went to at a party I was 15 years old

1917
01:21:20,330 --> 01:21:18,600
he goes and you saw it first you pointed

1918
01:21:23,209 --> 01:21:20,340
up and he went look man it's a flying

1919
01:21:25,490 --> 01:21:23,219
saucer I said I said what he goes yeah

1920
01:21:27,169 --> 01:21:25,500
and then we all freaked out and it was

1921
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,179
this thing with the Ring of lights and

1922
01:21:33,530 --> 01:21:30,239
the Flying Saucer in the sky I go dude

1923
01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:33,540
no I told what are you talking about

1924
01:21:39,950 --> 01:21:36,360
I don't remember that

1925
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:39,960
Jimmy you point and he tells the whole

1926
01:21:44,689 --> 01:21:42,719
story and and Justin I don't remember a

1927
01:21:48,890 --> 01:21:44,699
thing but

1928
01:21:54,169 --> 01:21:48,900
I was high I guarantee you I was I was

1929
01:21:58,729 --> 01:21:54,179
true but yeah yeah I don't uh he tells

1930
01:22:03,610 --> 01:21:58,739
it in such detail and and imitates me

1931
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:03,620
really well but you know uh

1932
01:22:09,229 --> 01:22:07,679
yeah you have to Discount I mean look

1933
01:22:12,110 --> 01:22:09,239
yeah

1934
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,120
we have to eliminate all of the natural

1935
01:22:16,189 --> 01:22:14,159
things all of the normal explanations

1936
01:22:18,649 --> 01:22:16,199
you know all of these things I could

1937
01:22:21,890 --> 01:22:18,659
explain this stuff away right we have to

1938
01:22:23,930 --> 01:22:21,900
we have to consider that maybe it was a

1939
01:22:27,649 --> 01:22:23,940
you know a trip that you're on you saw

1940
01:22:28,910 --> 01:22:27,659
this but yeah yeah sure you know I I was

1941
01:22:29,570 --> 01:22:28,920
actually just talking with a friend of

1942
01:22:31,790 --> 01:22:29,580
mine

1943
01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:31,800
um who specializes in demonology and

1944
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,980
negative cases and she was saying that

1945
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:37,199
it gets really tough to tell sometimes

1946
01:22:40,189 --> 01:22:38,580
especially when you're dealing with

1947
01:22:44,209 --> 01:22:40,199
mental illness

1948
01:22:46,370 --> 01:22:44,219
because there are some cases where the

1949
01:22:47,810 --> 01:22:46,380
the the experiencer is suffering from

1950
01:22:49,550 --> 01:22:47,820
Mental Illness but they are also

1951
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:49,560
experiencing paranormal phenomena at the

1952
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,460
same time

1953
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:52,560
and you have to it's really tough to

1954
01:22:56,630 --> 01:22:54,239
tell okay where does that line begin

1955
01:22:58,490 --> 01:22:56,640
where where does it end I mean

1956
01:23:00,890 --> 01:22:58,500
it's

1957
01:23:02,990 --> 01:23:00,900
but what I do is you know when I'm

1958
01:23:04,610 --> 01:23:03,000
interviewing Witnesses I always ask them

1959
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:04,620
that question you know were you sober

1960
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:06,560
during this experience and I remember

1961
01:23:10,250 --> 01:23:09,120
sometimes uh you know there was this a

1962
01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:10,260
good friend of mine he was actually

1963
01:23:14,090 --> 01:23:11,820
telling me about

1964
01:23:15,530 --> 01:23:14,100
what he had experienced in his home and

1965
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,540
he said you know certain objects were

1966
01:23:18,830 --> 01:23:17,280
moving by themselves and he would wake

1967
01:23:21,229 --> 01:23:18,840
up the next day and they would be at a

1968
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,239
different part of the house and um

1969
01:23:24,530 --> 01:23:23,280
eventually you know I'm taking notes and

1970
01:23:26,810 --> 01:23:24,540
everything and then we got to the part

1971
01:23:28,430 --> 01:23:26,820
of the discussion where I said okay hey

1972
01:23:30,290 --> 01:23:28,440
what you know what was in you know one

1973
01:23:32,689 --> 01:23:30,300
of these packages that suddenly moved

1974
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:32,699
from from your front porch to your uh to

1975
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:35,280
your kitchen stove and he said ah I

1976
01:23:38,510 --> 01:23:36,480
don't want it then I'll talk about that

1977
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,520
I'm like you know because I'm thinking

1978
01:23:41,570 --> 01:23:40,320
maybe is there like a haunted Relic in

1979
01:23:44,270 --> 01:23:41,580
there is there some sort of antique

1980
01:23:47,149 --> 01:23:44,280
object no it was a pack of weed

1981
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:47,159
and uh I then put the notepad down and

1982
01:23:50,570 --> 01:23:48,960
you know we joke about this now when I

1983
01:23:53,630 --> 01:23:50,580
said look

1984
01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:53,640
buddy I said I I I cannot proceed

1985
01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:56,280
forward because of that aspect you know

1986
01:23:59,930 --> 01:23:58,500
maybe you were having experiences but I

1987
01:24:01,669 --> 01:23:59,940
said why don't you just try being sober

1988
01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:01,679
for a little bit see if that changes

1989
01:24:07,370 --> 01:24:03,780
things see if the if the experiences die

1990
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,380
down and sure enough it did so yeah yeah

1991
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,719
I'll tell you

1992
01:24:14,209 --> 01:24:11,280
we really need to talk about the

1993
01:24:18,669 --> 01:24:14,219
Spectrum okay so but there's there's

1994
01:24:22,610 --> 01:24:18,679
another there's another crazy aspect to

1995
01:24:23,650 --> 01:24:22,620
uh to drugs and alternate reality in E.T

1996
01:24:25,130 --> 01:24:23,660
and

1997
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:25,140
[Music]

1998
01:24:30,530 --> 01:24:27,360
um I'm not going to say his name

1999
01:24:34,669 --> 01:24:30,540
but there is a director

2000
01:24:35,630 --> 01:24:34,679
of UFO documentaries that's at the tippy

2001
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:35,640
top

2002
01:24:42,290 --> 01:24:39,120
okay all right so use your imagination

2003
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:42,300
he calls me up

2004
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:45,300
get the phone calls a few years ago he

2005
01:24:48,649 --> 01:24:47,760
goes Jimmy and I go hey man what's going

2006
01:24:51,709 --> 01:24:48,659
on man

2007
01:24:54,830 --> 01:24:51,719
because last night

2008
01:24:58,490 --> 01:24:54,840
I smoke DMT

2009
01:25:02,450 --> 01:24:58,500
and talk to aliens right because you

2010
01:25:04,610 --> 01:25:02,460
what good boy he goes man and they're

2011
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:04,620
they're real

2012
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:08,159
I said what what did what did you do how

2013
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:10,800
he said 15 minutes

2014
01:25:19,729 --> 01:25:14,880
15 minutes I sat and I think he said

2015
01:25:25,250 --> 01:25:21,890
gray aliens

2016
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:25,260
ETS he sat and talked to and went to

2017
01:25:30,410 --> 01:25:26,960
this other dimension

2018
01:25:33,290 --> 01:25:30,420
and and I go look man I almost said his

2019
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,300
name I I I I won't do that one day I'll

2020
01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:35,280
have him tell the story I'll let him do

2021
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:36,300
it anyway

2022
01:25:41,689 --> 01:25:39,360
I said what do you thinking goes man

2023
01:25:46,189 --> 01:25:41,699
it's real I said well what do you mean

2024
01:25:53,090 --> 01:25:46,199
well the ET part is real but the DMT

2025
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:53,100
access to a parallel world is 100 real

2026
01:25:59,930 --> 01:25:56,880
you go to another place

2027
01:26:03,410 --> 01:25:59,940
and I said man you know you know I love

2028
01:26:05,870 --> 01:26:03,420
you I do and and I respect you what are

2029
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:05,880
you telling me said Jimmy I'm telling

2030
01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:08,520
you I talked to aliens last night for 15

2031
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:09,480
minutes

2032
01:26:15,970 --> 01:26:13,679
Now isn't isn't that interesting you

2033
01:26:19,010 --> 01:26:15,980
know coming from somebody who is Right

2034
01:26:21,290 --> 01:26:19,020
Cold Sober all of those things very

2035
01:26:24,169 --> 01:26:21,300
pragmatic very black and white great

2036
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:24,179
researcher great filmmaker uh the best

2037
01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:29,520
of the best and a very very serious cat

2038
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:32,280
is telling me this

2039
01:26:38,330 --> 01:26:36,000
and and it was important for him to can

2040
01:26:41,330 --> 01:26:38,340
you imagine making that phone call yeah

2041
01:26:43,610 --> 01:26:41,340
and and look maybe he did have the

2042
01:26:45,890 --> 01:26:43,620
experience but it will always be

2043
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:45,900
questioned now because of the the

2044
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:47,760
environment right and because of that

2045
01:26:53,450 --> 01:26:51,120
that choice I mean in this field we we

2046
01:26:56,209 --> 01:26:53,460
struggle just to get you know people to

2047
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,219
take this seriously I mean well no but

2048
01:27:01,610 --> 01:26:59,040
that's not my point Justin of course I

2049
01:27:05,209 --> 01:27:01,620
understand where you're going with this

2050
01:27:07,070 --> 01:27:05,219
what I am suggesting here is that maybe

2051
01:27:09,709 --> 01:27:07,080
scientifically

2052
01:27:11,629 --> 01:27:09,719
in a controlled setting in a laboratory

2053
01:27:15,370 --> 01:27:11,639
setting scientifically we need to

2054
01:27:19,850 --> 01:27:15,380
research actually what is going on here

2055
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:19,860
that if the experience is real to the

2056
01:27:25,129 --> 01:27:22,159
person having the experience

2057
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:25,139
maybe there is something else going on

2058
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:28,320
and we are accessing that I'm not

2059
01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:30,239
talking about psilocybin I'm not talking

2060
01:27:36,770 --> 01:27:33,000
about LSD I'm not talking about acid or

2061
01:27:38,689 --> 01:27:36,780
or man I sound so old saying saying

2062
01:27:40,729 --> 01:27:38,699
those words but I'm not talking about

2063
01:27:42,970 --> 01:27:40,739
any of that mushrooms that's not what

2064
01:27:48,590 --> 01:27:42,980
I'm talking about that's recreational

2065
01:27:50,689 --> 01:27:48,600
whatever we're talking about DMT here

2066
01:27:53,810 --> 01:27:50,699
um this is something completely

2067
01:27:56,990 --> 01:27:53,820
different uh DMT is produced naturally

2068
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,000
in our bodies you know and

2069
01:28:02,390 --> 01:27:59,520
um there may be something going on but

2070
01:28:06,649 --> 01:28:02,400
two this this person that made the phone

2071
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:06,659
call to me this experience was real this

2072
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:09,840
wasn't like hi I hallucinated on acid

2073
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,239
last night I saw flying elephants you

2074
01:28:17,330 --> 01:28:14,400
know no that's not what I'm talking

2075
01:28:19,010 --> 01:28:17,340
about here yeah and maybe research more

2076
01:28:21,169 --> 01:28:19,020
research needs to be done on it for sure

2077
01:28:23,209 --> 01:28:21,179
I mean you know because they're your

2078
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:23,219
friends experience is not unlike so many

2079
01:28:26,810 --> 01:28:24,960
others who have tried that and who have

2080
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:26,820
unlocked some sort of Dimension and

2081
01:28:30,370 --> 01:28:28,380
maybe they're let me tell you something

2082
01:28:34,490 --> 01:28:30,380
you know this guy

2083
01:28:37,790 --> 01:28:34,500
and uh here here and you see the price

2084
01:28:42,649 --> 01:28:37,800
you see the private chat yeah okay you

2085
01:28:47,570 --> 01:28:46,250
read that okay gotcha yeah now see now

2086
01:28:49,610 --> 01:28:47,580
you're gonna drive your listeners crazy

2087
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,620
because it's almost like we're doing

2088
01:28:52,910 --> 01:28:51,360
like a Steven Greer session here right

2089
01:28:55,550 --> 01:28:52,920
yeah I know I know I know but now that

2090
01:28:58,669 --> 01:28:55,560
you know hey that pretty trippy comment

2091
01:29:01,729 --> 01:28:58,679
pretty trippy story isn't it yeah yeah

2092
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:01,739
and yeah that's that is pretty wild I

2093
01:29:07,729 --> 01:29:06,000
mean that's so so uh I'll let him know

2094
01:29:09,470 --> 01:29:07,739
that I told you just keep that on the

2095
01:29:10,610 --> 01:29:09,480
down low you're the first person I'm

2096
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:10,620
told

2097
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:12,320
um

2098
01:29:18,530 --> 01:29:16,320
I've already deleted the comment

2099
01:29:21,290 --> 01:29:18,540
um actually can I do that hold on let's

2100
01:29:24,590 --> 01:29:21,300
see hold on oh I can't

2101
01:29:25,790 --> 01:29:24,600
there's no way to delete it why are you

2102
01:29:27,470 --> 01:29:25,800
trying to figure that out I just want to

2103
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,480
put a disclaimer to your audience out

2104
01:29:31,790 --> 01:29:29,760
there you know I hate it when people

2105
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:31,800
always sit on things and they say like

2106
01:29:35,570 --> 01:29:33,420
hey I've got something really cool to

2107
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:35,580
show you but I can't tell you I know I

2108
01:29:41,090 --> 01:29:37,980
know I hate it too I hate your strong

2109
01:29:43,070 --> 01:29:41,100
word but man that bothers me when I hear

2110
01:29:45,530 --> 01:29:43,080
that from researchers and I will say

2111
01:29:46,729 --> 01:29:45,540
this especially when it comes to the UFO

2112
01:29:48,530 --> 01:29:46,739
topic

2113
01:29:50,090 --> 01:29:48,540
if somebody's going to come to me with

2114
01:29:52,189 --> 01:29:50,100
their story

2115
01:29:54,110 --> 01:29:52,199
I'm going to print their full name when

2116
01:29:55,550 --> 01:29:54,120
it comes to the UFO topic because

2117
01:29:59,570 --> 01:29:55,560
there's so much misinformation

2118
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:59,580
disinformation I mean there is yes there

2119
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:02,639
is an agenda from forces unbeknownst to

2120
01:30:06,590 --> 01:30:05,040
us that are trying to muddy the waters

2121
01:30:08,750 --> 01:30:06,600
and I think it's important for other

2122
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:08,760
researchers and investigators to be able

2123
01:30:13,550 --> 01:30:10,560
to follow up on those names those places

2124
01:30:15,890 --> 01:30:13,560
those locations so we can again we have

2125
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:15,900
that's the point we are at now Justin

2126
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:19,920
yeah and I was uh I was speaking with uh

2127
01:30:25,250 --> 01:30:22,320
Richard Dolan about this on on Monday

2128
01:30:27,290 --> 01:30:25,260
I'm not name-dropping

2129
01:30:31,310 --> 01:30:27,300
um I'm saying it because Richard's done

2130
01:30:37,370 --> 01:30:31,320
a lot of very important work okay and a

2131
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:37,380
lot of research and and so have I and we

2132
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:40,080
are now at the point where

2133
01:30:47,209 --> 01:30:44,639
let's now we name names yeah right so

2134
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:47,219
we've got right now at this point with

2135
01:30:52,010 --> 01:30:49,920
David grush to your point

2136
01:30:53,950 --> 01:30:52,020
David grush says we have flying saucers

2137
01:30:58,010 --> 01:30:53,960
okay

2138
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:58,020
who has them right is it Lockheed Skunk

2139
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:01,679
Works is it Raytheon right is it are

2140
01:31:07,070 --> 01:31:04,560
they at Wright-Patterson you know where

2141
01:31:10,490 --> 01:31:07,080
are they start naming who told you this

2142
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:10,500
yeah he's in a different position though

2143
01:31:13,310 --> 01:31:12,239
right because if he starts naming some

2144
01:31:15,169 --> 01:31:13,320
of these things he could go to jail

2145
01:31:17,629 --> 01:31:15,179
right because he said he's got the

2146
01:31:20,290 --> 01:31:17,639
Whistleblower he's protected now I I

2147
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:20,300
think I plan yeah

2148
01:31:27,470 --> 01:31:23,760
he's he's protected I I think that what

2149
01:31:32,570 --> 01:31:27,480
I'm what I'm suggesting here uh and I'm

2150
01:31:35,629 --> 01:31:32,580
agreeing with you that now I mean it it

2151
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:35,639
it's all out in the open yeah there is

2152
01:31:42,169 --> 01:31:38,400
no reason to say well I've got a source

2153
01:31:43,610 --> 01:31:42,179
that says and in two weeks uh this you

2154
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:43,620
know what who's the source and what's

2155
01:31:48,169 --> 01:31:45,840
gonna happen in two weeks you got it

2156
01:31:51,050 --> 01:31:48,179
where we're at now I I couldn't agree

2157
01:31:53,870 --> 01:31:51,060
with you more I'm just I'm done with it

2158
01:31:55,790 --> 01:31:53,880
yeah that's just because it's important

2159
01:31:57,649 --> 01:31:55,800
you know to collaborate it's important

2160
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:57,659
to share this stuff like we're not going

2161
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:58,800
to get anywhere if we're going to be

2162
01:32:01,850 --> 01:32:00,719
protecting things and I'm telling people

2163
01:32:03,229 --> 01:32:01,860
out there who are listening this

2164
01:32:05,450 --> 01:32:03,239
broadcast if you're gonna share a story

2165
01:32:07,550 --> 01:32:05,460
with me and you want me to put it out

2166
01:32:09,649 --> 01:32:07,560
there publicly I'm sorry I'm printing

2167
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:09,659
your name like if you're gonna if you're

2168
01:32:12,890 --> 01:32:11,520
gonna be a shadowy source or just say

2169
01:32:14,570 --> 01:32:12,900
don't tell me then don't tell me your

2170
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:14,580
story you know so

2171
01:32:20,270 --> 01:32:17,760
yeah well like um all of the experiences

2172
01:32:22,910 --> 01:32:20,280
with men in black tonight

2173
01:32:26,030 --> 01:32:22,920
um you know with with Shane and Gary and

2174
01:32:28,669 --> 01:32:26,040
you name names you know and and and went

2175
01:32:31,910 --> 01:32:28,679
straight there let's before we I can't

2176
01:32:33,649 --> 01:32:31,920
believe what a great conversation and

2177
01:32:36,590 --> 01:32:33,659
um I really look forward to the next

2178
01:32:39,950 --> 01:32:36,600
time uh that you're on the show we've uh

2179
01:32:41,689 --> 01:32:39,960
gotten way too many things uh uh to talk

2180
01:32:43,850 --> 01:32:41,699
about that we haven't gotten to tonight

2181
01:32:47,450 --> 01:32:43,860
but I do want to talk about the Spectrum

2182
01:32:52,510 --> 01:32:47,460
uh the title of your book because just

2183
01:32:55,070 --> 01:32:52,520
the title suggests so many things so

2184
01:32:57,470 --> 01:32:55,080
let's can we start with the title before

2185
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:57,480
we talk about the book yeah absolutely

2186
01:33:02,689 --> 01:32:59,760
you know the the Spectrum

2187
01:33:04,490 --> 01:33:02,699
it I use it as kind of like a catch-all

2188
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:04,500
term for the Paranormal you know the

2189
01:33:08,330 --> 01:33:06,000
phenomena whatever we want to call it

2190
01:33:10,070 --> 01:33:08,340
right it seems to be emanating from what

2191
01:33:12,770 --> 01:33:10,080
I think is one place whether it's

2192
01:33:16,010 --> 01:33:12,780
physical multi-dimensional subconscious

2193
01:33:20,090 --> 01:33:16,020
something completely different entirely

2194
01:33:22,129 --> 01:33:20,100
and I think uh it comes across in

2195
01:33:25,189 --> 01:33:22,139
certain aspects right wildly different

2196
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:25,199
shapes sizes forms right and it usually

2197
01:33:29,810 --> 01:33:27,600
fits our own preconceived notions our

2198
01:33:32,209 --> 01:33:29,820
own stereotypes that it can reflect our

2199
01:33:35,390 --> 01:33:32,219
mirror you know our thinking and I've

2200
01:33:37,250 --> 01:33:35,400
often began to wonder if maybe the

2201
01:33:40,669 --> 01:33:37,260
phenomenon that's what I tend to refer

2202
01:33:43,610 --> 01:33:40,679
to it as if it's not truly what it

2203
01:33:45,649 --> 01:33:43,620
appears to be it's just taking on these

2204
01:33:47,629 --> 01:33:45,659
different forms so that we can perceive

2205
01:33:50,270 --> 01:33:47,639
it sort of like a concept of like

2206
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:50,280
theophany right where like you know in

2207
01:33:53,090 --> 01:33:51,840
the I'm going to use as from a Christian

2208
01:33:55,550 --> 01:33:53,100
Bible perspective because that's my

2209
01:33:58,610 --> 01:33:55,560
background right is like you know God

2210
01:34:00,649 --> 01:33:58,620
appeared to humans not in his true

2211
01:34:03,050 --> 01:34:00,659
Essence he appeared as different things

2212
01:34:05,810 --> 01:34:03,060
right like a burning bush a pillar of a

2213
01:34:07,310 --> 01:34:05,820
cloud or fire you know or storm

2214
01:34:08,750 --> 01:34:07,320
um even like the human form if you want

2215
01:34:09,530 --> 01:34:08,760
to say you know Jesus Christ right but

2216
01:34:14,450 --> 01:34:09,540
like

2217
01:34:16,490 --> 01:34:14,460
his his disciples right he never gave

2218
01:34:19,790 --> 01:34:16,500
them the true answer he spoke in

2219
01:34:21,050 --> 01:34:19,800
Parables right so I wonder if maybe the

2220
01:34:25,370 --> 01:34:21,060
Mysteries

2221
01:34:27,890 --> 01:34:25,380
uh come across in the same way they

2222
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:27,900
don't reveal their true identity

2223
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:30,719
and there's also the trickster aspect

2224
01:34:36,410 --> 01:34:33,600
too right you know things pose as other

2225
01:34:38,570 --> 01:34:36,420
things so I use that term the Spectrum

2226
01:34:40,729 --> 01:34:38,580
when I'm referring to all of this High

2227
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:40,739
strangeness

2228
01:34:44,930 --> 01:34:42,210
the

2229
01:34:46,970 --> 01:34:44,940
[Music]

2230
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:46,980
the problems

2231
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:50,159
is that we're not as smart as we think

2232
01:35:00,110 --> 01:34:57,770
we haven't we think we're smart and we

2233
01:35:05,629 --> 01:35:00,120
are we've we've come a long way right we

2234
01:35:07,850 --> 01:35:05,639
have yeah uh the thought of you know 150

2235
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:07,860
years ago if you were going to try to

2236
01:35:16,430 --> 01:35:11,520
describe a microwave oven to somebody a

2237
01:35:18,830 --> 01:35:16,440
a product a device that is in every home

2238
01:35:23,050 --> 01:35:18,840
in the United States

2239
01:35:26,330 --> 01:35:23,060
everyone right there are

2240
01:35:28,610 --> 01:35:26,340
380 400 million

2241
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:28,620
microwave ovens at least in the United

2242
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:31,520
States describe that to somebody

2243
01:35:34,990 --> 01:35:33,840
150 years ago

2244
01:35:38,570 --> 01:35:35,000
right

2245
01:35:42,430 --> 01:35:38,580
okay so yeah we've come a long way but

2246
01:35:46,970 --> 01:35:42,440
we also are are really dumb

2247
01:35:51,649 --> 01:35:46,980
we don't have the right words

2248
01:35:53,870 --> 01:35:51,659
to describe what we need to describe

2249
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:53,880
you got it we don't have that we don't

2250
01:35:58,129 --> 01:35:55,440
have the right words we don't have the

2251
01:36:00,530 --> 01:35:58,139
we don't understand the E.T phenomenon

2252
01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:00,540
or ghost or life after death we don't

2253
01:36:05,709 --> 01:36:02,639
even know what Consciousness is

2254
01:36:08,570 --> 01:36:05,719
we know we have it right

2255
01:36:10,610 --> 01:36:08,580
the word Consciousness is probably not

2256
01:36:12,490 --> 01:36:10,620
the right word for what it actually

2257
01:36:15,229 --> 01:36:12,500
really is

2258
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:15,239
and that's so when you say the spectrum

2259
01:36:20,450 --> 01:36:18,000
that is a great way to put it

2260
01:36:23,330 --> 01:36:20,460
right where it's just a blanket thing

2261
01:36:26,330 --> 01:36:23,340
there is so much going on underneath

2262
01:36:27,950 --> 01:36:26,340
that umbrella right yeah there is and to

2263
01:36:29,570 --> 01:36:27,960
your point you know we're we're all

2264
01:36:31,129 --> 01:36:29,580
trying to prove it right that's what

2265
01:36:33,110 --> 01:36:31,139
Society is trying to do it's proving

2266
01:36:35,450 --> 01:36:33,120
that it exists but we're not even asking

2267
01:36:39,050 --> 01:36:35,460
the right questions so how can we even

2268
01:36:44,450 --> 01:36:41,930
well if if

2269
01:36:52,729 --> 01:36:47,169
if we're dealing with

2270
01:36:55,610 --> 01:36:52,739
something that appears as a green light

2271
01:37:00,350 --> 01:36:55,620
in the sky pops up

2272
01:37:02,510 --> 01:37:00,360
goes across and then disappears

2273
01:37:04,610 --> 01:37:02,520
depending on who sees it

2274
01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:04,620
you've got a different word

2275
01:37:10,970 --> 01:37:07,679
that will be describing that event right

2276
01:37:14,830 --> 01:37:10,980
that's it that's it that's it you got a

2277
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:14,840
physicist you've got a plasma

2278
01:37:22,669 --> 01:37:19,520
right an atmospheric disturbance some

2279
01:37:24,669 --> 01:37:22,679
electromagnetic Collision of Isotopes

2280
01:37:28,250 --> 01:37:24,679
wait whatever

2281
01:37:32,209 --> 01:37:28,260
you've got a a philosopher you've got

2282
01:37:35,530 --> 01:37:32,219
something else you've got somebody for a

2283
01:37:38,770 --> 01:37:35,540
deep indigenous culture Aboriginal

2284
01:37:44,770 --> 01:37:38,780
American uh you know

2285
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:44,780
somebody religious right uh

2286
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:48,960
all different words describing the exact

2287
01:37:55,070 --> 01:37:52,560
same thing right so how is it possible

2288
01:37:56,750 --> 01:37:55,080
it's not it's not we we don't we don't

2289
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:56,760
have the right words to describe the

2290
01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:59,040
phenomenon yeah it's almost like you

2291
01:38:03,169 --> 01:38:00,960
know when you taste something right you

2292
01:38:04,970 --> 01:38:03,179
know it what may taste salty to me may

2293
01:38:06,649 --> 01:38:04,980
not be salty to you you know what may be

2294
01:38:09,530 --> 01:38:06,659
sweet to the next person may not be

2295
01:38:13,310 --> 01:38:09,540
sweet to us you know so it's like how do

2296
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:13,320
we know even if if our perceptions are

2297
01:38:16,490 --> 01:38:14,880
wildly different our descriptions are

2298
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,500
wildly different how do we know that

2299
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:18,320
we're truly even seeing the same thing

2300
01:38:23,149 --> 01:38:21,360
you know this this happens a lot on

2301
01:38:25,550 --> 01:38:23,159
paranormal investigations when you have

2302
01:38:27,229 --> 01:38:25,560
an event take place and one investigator

2303
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:27,239
will may see like an orb of light

2304
01:38:30,770 --> 01:38:29,040
another person standing right next to

2305
01:38:32,990 --> 01:38:30,780
them may not see anything but may hear

2306
01:38:34,490 --> 01:38:33,000
something audibly and then third person

2307
01:38:36,830 --> 01:38:34,500
may not see anything at all but will

2308
01:38:38,030 --> 01:38:36,840
have a sensation or maybe like a psychic

2309
01:38:39,729 --> 01:38:38,040
moment

2310
01:38:42,050 --> 01:38:39,739
the phenomenon

2311
01:38:45,890 --> 01:38:42,060
it is operating

2312
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:45,900
under its terms with its controls

2313
01:38:51,290 --> 01:38:48,719
we are I don't think we're ever going to

2314
01:38:53,149 --> 01:38:51,300
be able to conclusively measure it

2315
01:38:56,330 --> 01:38:53,159
and study it

2316
01:38:58,970 --> 01:38:56,340
under our our controls because that's

2317
01:39:01,970 --> 01:38:58,980
not how it operates it it weaves in and

2318
01:39:03,890 --> 01:39:01,980
out of our reality some other reality

2319
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:03,900
and that drives mainstream scientists

2320
01:39:07,729 --> 01:39:06,239
Bonkers because they they need to

2321
01:39:10,430 --> 01:39:07,739
control it they need to reproduce it

2322
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:10,440
under those controlled environments

2323
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:12,960
you can't this is a very spontaneous

2324
01:39:18,110 --> 01:39:15,360
phenomenon it just happens takes place

2325
01:39:20,510 --> 01:39:18,120
but there are some patterns and I think

2326
01:39:22,430 --> 01:39:20,520
that is where the keys lie when we note

2327
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:22,440
those patterns those similarities those

2328
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:24,480
commonalities I think those are the

2329
01:39:29,090 --> 01:39:26,400
clues and I think it's not necessarily

2330
01:39:31,310 --> 01:39:29,100
the experience but I think it's more the

2331
01:39:33,410 --> 01:39:31,320
experiencer that we really need to study

2332
01:39:35,390 --> 01:39:33,420
how is this defining them how is it

2333
01:39:38,209 --> 01:39:35,400
changing their perspectives how is it

2334
01:39:40,129 --> 01:39:38,219
reshaping their paradigms we need to

2335
01:39:41,870 --> 01:39:40,139
really be tracking these Witnesses and

2336
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:41,880
experiencing them and establishing a

2337
01:39:45,770 --> 01:39:43,440
relationship to where they can feel

2338
01:39:47,810 --> 01:39:45,780
comfortable opening up to us and sharing

2339
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:47,820
what is happening long after the

2340
01:39:52,010 --> 01:39:49,920
experience subsides have you had your

2341
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:52,020
own sighting yourself

2342
01:39:57,410 --> 01:39:54,719
yeah I've certainly had some experiences

2343
01:39:59,810 --> 01:39:57,420
that I can't easily dismiss I chronicled

2344
01:40:02,209 --> 01:39:59,820
some of them in the Spectrum

2345
01:40:04,370 --> 01:40:02,219
um or give me an example I want to know

2346
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:04,380
where your mind is coming from yeah sure

2347
01:40:08,930 --> 01:40:06,480
so there's an aspect that I wrote about

2348
01:40:11,090 --> 01:40:08,940
now called a shared premonitions and I

2349
01:40:12,590 --> 01:40:11,100
think this is a really profound aspect

2350
01:40:14,270 --> 01:40:12,600
you know I try to write about things

2351
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:14,280
that people don't always talk about or

2352
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:15,360
cover

2353
01:40:20,209 --> 01:40:18,480
and you know here's an example I was I

2354
01:40:22,910 --> 01:40:20,219
was at a local cable providers call

2355
01:40:24,530 --> 01:40:22,920
center and you know I won't name which

2356
01:40:26,689 --> 01:40:24,540
this is but a lot of people on the East

2357
01:40:29,050 --> 01:40:26,699
Coast can certainly identify with this

2358
01:40:34,430 --> 01:40:29,060
um trying to return what's it Spectrum

2359
01:40:36,649 --> 01:40:34,440
no good one no no it wasn't actually but

2360
01:40:38,990 --> 01:40:36,659
I was trying to return a cable box

2361
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:39,000
um for this TV I was renting a you know

2362
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:41,520
a house or an apartment rather at this

2363
01:40:45,229 --> 01:40:43,440
time and the apartment was telling me

2364
01:40:46,970 --> 01:40:45,239
you didn't need to return it the cost

2365
01:40:48,290 --> 01:40:46,980
the cable company was saying you did

2366
01:40:50,450 --> 01:40:48,300
need to return it whatever I was

2367
01:40:52,010 --> 01:40:50,460
stressed out found myself on the phone

2368
01:40:54,649 --> 01:40:52,020
with one representative telling me one

2369
01:40:56,030 --> 01:40:54,659
thing and I'm at the call center face to

2370
01:40:57,770 --> 01:40:56,040
face with the person they're telling me

2371
01:40:59,689 --> 01:40:57,780
a totally different thing

2372
01:41:00,830 --> 01:40:59,699
so I decided to stay there in the hopes

2373
01:41:03,169 --> 01:41:00,840
that it could you know eventually be

2374
01:41:05,930 --> 01:41:03,179
sorted out so as I'm in the call center

2375
01:41:07,370 --> 01:41:05,940
with you know on the phone

2376
01:41:09,290 --> 01:41:07,380
um another customer had entered the

2377
01:41:11,090 --> 01:41:09,300
facility pick up their cable box so I

2378
01:41:12,890 --> 01:41:11,100
stepped off to the side you know let

2379
01:41:14,990 --> 01:41:12,900
them let them go ahead I'm in the

2380
01:41:18,830 --> 01:41:15,000
waiting room and I'm just I'm really

2381
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:18,840
ticked off I'm filled with stress and

2382
01:41:23,629 --> 01:41:21,360
um suddenly I was hit with like this

2383
01:41:26,689 --> 01:41:23,639
different feeling this this overwhelming

2384
01:41:28,850 --> 01:41:26,699
like sense of dread of fear feeling that

2385
01:41:29,930 --> 01:41:28,860
like my car specifically was about to

2386
01:41:33,229 --> 01:41:29,940
get hit

2387
01:41:35,149 --> 01:41:33,239
now why was why did that thought pop

2388
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:35,159
into my head I don't know but it was

2389
01:41:39,950 --> 01:41:37,199
just overwhelming

2390
01:41:41,450 --> 01:41:39,960
and I thought to myself well you know I

2391
01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:41,460
start thinking about my car I parked it

2392
01:41:45,709 --> 01:41:43,679
in a safe spot like it's not busy like

2393
01:41:47,209 --> 01:41:45,719
there's plenty of room you know I try I

2394
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:47,219
always try to spark in a safe spot away

2395
01:41:52,189 --> 01:41:50,159
from the road and then in that moment

2396
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:52,199
some other customer busts into the call

2397
01:41:56,570 --> 01:41:53,760
center and they looked around

2398
01:41:58,729 --> 01:41:56,580
frantically at myself and at the other

2399
01:42:00,890 --> 01:41:58,739
person that was there and he locked Eyes

2400
01:42:02,990 --> 01:42:00,900
straight with me and he said you know

2401
01:42:05,930 --> 01:42:03,000
are you parked out in a lot because I'm

2402
01:42:07,970 --> 01:42:05,940
so sorry but I totally hit your car I'm

2403
01:42:10,129 --> 01:42:07,980
thinking I'm thinking are you kidding me

2404
01:42:12,290 --> 01:42:10,139
like you know like this is exactly what

2405
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:12,300
I did not need to have happen to me

2406
01:42:16,669 --> 01:42:14,719
and he said so I forget what he said

2407
01:42:18,350 --> 01:42:16,679
precisely but he says something like you

2408
01:42:19,970 --> 01:42:18,360
know you're the black Chevy right or he

2409
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:19,980
identified some other color and make a

2410
01:42:23,689 --> 01:42:20,639
model

2411
01:42:25,729 --> 01:42:23,699
it was a car that wasn't my car

2412
01:42:27,590 --> 01:42:25,739
and at that moment I was instantly

2413
01:42:30,169 --> 01:42:27,600
relieved I'm thinking no I'm sorry it's

2414
01:42:32,209 --> 01:42:30,179
not me it was the other person's car he

2415
01:42:34,370 --> 01:42:32,219
had overheard that and now he's like

2416
01:42:35,209 --> 01:42:34,380
wait that's my car and he runs out with

2417
01:42:37,250 --> 01:42:35,219
the guy

2418
01:42:38,810 --> 01:42:37,260
and that's it that was the experience

2419
01:42:40,850 --> 01:42:38,820
but it always

2420
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:40,860
you know I was a hundred percent sure

2421
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:43,440
that my car was going to be hit

2422
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:46,320
and I wonder if it was my mindset being

2423
01:42:50,930 --> 01:42:48,960
stressed out that somehow unlocks

2424
01:42:52,609 --> 01:42:50,940
something and triggered something sure

2425
01:42:54,770 --> 01:42:52,619
and as I'm interviewing other

2426
01:42:57,169 --> 01:42:54,780
experiences about totally different

2427
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:57,179
things I've noticed that stress plays an

2428
01:43:00,410 --> 01:42:59,280
integral part into this phenomenon

2429
01:43:03,770 --> 01:43:00,420
happening

2430
01:43:05,450 --> 01:43:03,780
so again what is it what caused it I

2431
01:43:07,010 --> 01:43:05,460
don't know was it a coincidence yeah

2432
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:07,020
possibly

2433
01:43:09,709 --> 01:43:08,880
but then I started talking with other

2434
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:09,719
people

2435
01:43:14,030 --> 01:43:11,760
and they've also had similar experiences

2436
01:43:15,050 --> 01:43:14,040
where they swear it was them who was

2437
01:43:16,729 --> 01:43:15,060
going to have this moment this

2438
01:43:18,590 --> 01:43:16,739
premonition but it's not it's meant for

2439
01:43:21,950 --> 01:43:18,600
someone else

2440
01:43:25,310 --> 01:43:21,960
so it's really really strange wow wow

2441
01:43:31,870 --> 01:43:25,320
okay I got a similar story okay

2442
01:43:34,970 --> 01:43:31,880
excellent very similar so I get I I meet

2443
01:43:38,450 --> 01:43:34,980
the credit manager

2444
01:43:41,629 --> 01:43:38,460
at a furniture store chain I'm 18. I've

2445
01:43:42,890 --> 01:43:41,639
got a I've got my first apartment my

2446
01:43:46,129 --> 01:43:42,900
first car

2447
01:43:49,010 --> 01:43:46,139
it's a Mustang 66 Mustang

2448
01:43:51,229 --> 01:43:49,020
uh I have no furniture in my apartment I

2449
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:51,239
have a mattress right I meet the credit

2450
01:43:55,010 --> 01:43:53,280
manager at this furniture store he says

2451
01:43:57,290 --> 01:43:55,020
Jimmy

2452
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:57,300
come on down

2453
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:06,709
so I pull up giant Warehouse huge huge

2454
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,560
Furniture Store giant parking lot

2455
01:44:16,250 --> 01:44:12,960
pull up my car I drive through the this

2456
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,260
parking lot's empty and I drive up to

2457
01:44:20,750 --> 01:44:18,320
the entrance and

2458
01:44:22,669 --> 01:44:20,760
I park

2459
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:22,679
my black Mustang

2460
01:44:26,030 --> 01:44:24,719
and uh

2461
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:26,040
get out

2462
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:27,360
shut the door

2463
01:44:32,930 --> 01:44:29,360
walk into the store

2464
01:44:36,109 --> 01:44:32,940
and uh I pick out a couch

2465
01:44:37,970 --> 01:44:36,119
pick out coffee table some end tables a

2466
01:44:40,430 --> 01:44:37,980
couple of lamps

2467
01:44:42,350 --> 01:44:40,440
fill out the thing he goes okay man

2468
01:44:46,189 --> 01:44:42,360
we'll deliver this to your house tonight

2469
01:44:48,050 --> 01:44:46,199
I said cool I signed and and he goes

2470
01:44:51,770 --> 01:44:48,060
walk around the store for a little bit

2471
01:44:56,030 --> 01:44:53,930
and I said okay all right

2472
01:45:00,109 --> 01:44:56,040
so I'm walking around the store

2473
01:45:08,770 --> 01:45:03,050
will the honor of the black Mustang

2474
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:12,530
I got a black Mustang

2475
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:15,360
I wonder if that's me

2476
01:45:20,209 --> 01:45:18,000
well the owner of a black Mustang and I

2477
01:45:22,669 --> 01:45:20,219
went okay well okay so now

2478
01:45:25,129 --> 01:45:22,679
I walk through the front of the store

2479
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:25,139
because the lady's standing there

2480
01:45:30,169 --> 01:45:27,360
in a fur coat

2481
01:45:32,570 --> 01:45:30,179
why'd you park where you did

2482
01:45:36,669 --> 01:45:32,580
so what are you talking about

2483
01:45:38,990 --> 01:45:36,679
why'd you park and we walked outside

2484
01:45:41,350 --> 01:45:39,000
my car

2485
01:45:43,010 --> 01:45:41,360
rolled

2486
01:45:45,950 --> 01:45:43,020
backwards

2487
01:45:48,530 --> 01:45:45,960
about a quarter of a mile out of its

2488
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:48,540
parking spot turned

2489
01:45:56,109 --> 01:45:52,320
rolled down the hill backwards

2490
01:45:59,149 --> 01:45:56,119
and backed into this lady's Cadillac

2491
01:46:00,649 --> 01:45:59,159
probably at about 30 miles an hour by

2492
01:46:04,250 --> 01:46:00,659
the time it got to the bottom of the

2493
01:46:05,390 --> 01:46:04,260
parking and how and so she worked at the

2494
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:05,400
store

2495
01:46:11,209 --> 01:46:08,639
she parked her Cadillac in the last

2496
01:46:13,550 --> 01:46:11,219
parking spot at the end of the so it

2497
01:46:16,189 --> 01:46:13,560
would never get scratched right she told

2498
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:16,199
me the whole story oh she was mad yeah

2499
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:18,719
and I'm looking out of every my car

2500
01:46:25,010 --> 01:46:20,880
could have rolled past hers and into

2501
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:25,020
traffic into the street done anything no

2502
01:46:29,410 --> 01:46:26,400
it could have gone in any direction

2503
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:29,420
could hit a tree no it rolled

2504
01:46:36,290 --> 01:46:32,639
straight into her car

2505
01:46:39,169 --> 01:46:36,300
and now moral to the story right my car

2506
01:46:41,090 --> 01:46:39,179
wasn't in gear uh moral to the story I

2507
01:46:42,590 --> 01:46:41,100
didn't put on the emergency brake and

2508
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:42,600
Immortal to the story all of these

2509
01:46:48,290 --> 01:46:46,080
things and it it all happened now did I

2510
01:46:50,209 --> 01:46:48,300
have a premonition no

2511
01:46:53,030 --> 01:46:50,219
but it's a funny story about a car

2512
01:46:55,609 --> 01:46:53,040
getting hit in a parking lot

2513
01:47:01,250 --> 01:46:57,890
I paid for that for like the next three

2514
01:47:04,070 --> 01:47:01,260
years oh man that was just painful true

2515
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:04,080
story I'm gonna put that in my book I I

2516
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:05,760
forgot about that story I'm gonna put

2517
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:07,440
that one in my book see now I thought

2518
01:47:10,970 --> 01:47:08,880
you would have said that the the woman

2519
01:47:14,209 --> 01:47:10,980
had a premonition but [\h__\h] her car was

2520
01:47:16,729 --> 01:47:14,219
about to get hit yeah yeah you know see

2521
01:47:18,350 --> 01:47:16,739
now I can't change the story later when

2522
01:47:20,689 --> 01:47:18,360
when you read it in the book and it

2523
01:47:23,450 --> 01:47:20,699
turns into a premonition you'll know I'm

2524
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:23,460
full of crap yeah and look you know I

2525
01:47:28,970 --> 01:47:27,119
put a lot of stories into the book that

2526
01:47:30,890 --> 01:47:28,980
are personal experiences

2527
01:47:32,570 --> 01:47:30,900
I put a lot of stories in the book that

2528
01:47:35,810 --> 01:47:32,580
are other people's personal experiences

2529
01:47:38,270 --> 01:47:35,820
I don't ask people to believe them

2530
01:47:40,430 --> 01:47:38,280
I just asked people to

2531
01:47:43,250 --> 01:47:40,440
accept them and consider them

2532
01:47:45,290 --> 01:47:43,260
you know they weren't there to prove

2533
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:45,300
that the story took place but they all

2534
01:47:48,890 --> 01:47:47,040
also aren't there to disprove it either

2535
01:47:51,229 --> 01:47:48,900
and I think that's how we have to

2536
01:47:52,729 --> 01:47:51,239
approach Witnesses and that's how

2537
01:47:55,010 --> 01:47:52,739
Witnesses begin to feel comfortable

2538
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:55,020
sharing their stories when you put your

2539
01:48:01,070 --> 01:47:58,320
judgment on hold you put your your ideas

2540
01:48:03,050 --> 01:48:01,080
right right off to the side and just let

2541
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:03,060
them tell their story just just shut up

2542
01:48:09,709 --> 01:48:05,280
and let them tell their story

2543
01:48:12,950 --> 01:48:09,719
and people will share that so I don't

2544
01:48:16,669 --> 01:48:12,960
know that's what I've done it is is in

2545
01:48:19,070 --> 01:48:16,679
in your experience uh you know the the

2546
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:19,080
car accident

2547
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:21,600
Deja Vu whatever you want to call it

2548
01:48:26,090 --> 01:48:23,280
right

2549
01:48:30,109 --> 01:48:26,100
um there's no question that

2550
01:48:34,729 --> 01:48:30,119
you thought of it before it happened I

2551
01:48:37,070 --> 01:48:34,739
did and now we have to look at what that

2552
01:48:40,370 --> 01:48:37,080
means to reality

2553
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:40,380
did you did you have a glimpse of the

2554
01:48:43,729 --> 01:48:41,280
future

2555
01:48:45,649 --> 01:48:43,739
was somebody speaking to you from the

2556
01:48:47,770 --> 01:48:45,659
future

2557
01:48:51,290 --> 01:48:47,780
um was there some type of just natural

2558
01:48:54,350 --> 01:48:51,300
entanglement going on and you just got

2559
01:48:58,729 --> 01:48:54,360
caught in the crossfire of of some

2560
01:49:01,790 --> 01:48:58,739
Universal Wi-Fi signal you know whatever

2561
01:49:02,770 --> 01:49:01,800
time slip time travel

2562
01:49:07,129 --> 01:49:02,780
um

2563
01:49:11,330 --> 01:49:07,139
did time stop for a moment you know were

2564
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:11,340
you did all all of these things are

2565
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:15,119
possible answers but the experience

2566
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:19,679
itself is an impossibility right that

2567
01:49:25,070 --> 01:49:21,840
the people will say that's impossible

2568
01:49:29,810 --> 01:49:25,080
there's no way you can't have a prime

2569
01:49:32,510 --> 01:49:29,820
minister is is is for new AG woo-woo you

2570
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:32,520
know what I mean Crystal that that's

2571
01:49:38,090 --> 01:49:35,760
that's not reality there's an ex but

2572
01:49:40,669 --> 01:49:38,100
Michael Shermer right president of the

2573
01:49:43,790 --> 01:49:40,679
skeptic Society has got a million

2574
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:43,800
explanations for this I don't agree with

2575
01:49:48,770 --> 01:49:46,800
any of them but for you it's a

2576
01:49:50,450 --> 01:49:48,780
demonstration of something what do you

2577
01:49:51,890 --> 01:49:50,460
think it was

2578
01:49:54,050 --> 01:49:51,900
well

2579
01:49:57,229 --> 01:49:54,060
it's interesting because I think it's

2580
01:50:00,350 --> 01:49:57,239
the location because in this particular

2581
01:50:02,450 --> 01:50:00,360
area this was Bensalem Pennsylvania I

2582
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:02,460
used to live I had a lot of strange

2583
01:50:07,129 --> 01:50:05,520
experiences in this I don't know maybe a

2584
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:07,139
couple mile radius

2585
01:50:11,330 --> 01:50:09,119
and one of those you know that that

2586
01:50:13,550 --> 01:50:11,340
cable uh customer service center that

2587
01:50:14,990 --> 01:50:13,560
was right down the street from a grocery

2588
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:15,000
store

2589
01:50:18,290 --> 01:50:17,040
and I had another experience in that

2590
01:50:20,330 --> 01:50:18,300
grocery store which kind of plays into

2591
01:50:22,910 --> 01:50:20,340
like Time Slips

2592
01:50:24,950 --> 01:50:22,920
and this was after I had started a new

2593
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:24,960
job in Bensalem you know you get

2594
01:50:28,370 --> 01:50:26,639
introduced to a lot of people you don't

2595
01:50:31,370 --> 01:50:28,380
remember names you remember faces right

2596
01:50:34,010 --> 01:50:31,380
yeah and it was my first day on the job

2597
01:50:37,129 --> 01:50:34,020
I left or maybe my first week on the job

2598
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:37,139
I left one day and as I'm coming home I

2599
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:39,360
stop off at the grocery store

2600
01:50:43,250 --> 01:50:41,520
and I'm going down the you know the

2601
01:50:44,930 --> 01:50:43,260
frozen food aisle and and I go around

2602
01:50:47,390 --> 01:50:44,940
the next to next Corner which was the

2603
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:47,400
bread milk aisle and I saw this couple

2604
01:50:53,450 --> 01:50:51,119
there as they're passing by me and they

2605
01:50:55,790 --> 01:50:53,460
gave me a look like they knew me

2606
01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:55,800
and I thought to myself okay you know

2607
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:59,280
whatever it I they didn't I didn't know

2608
01:51:03,470 --> 01:51:01,199
them but they seemed like they knew me

2609
01:51:06,050 --> 01:51:03,480
anyway so it was enough to where it

2610
01:51:08,450 --> 01:51:06,060
actually distracted me from getting what

2611
01:51:10,490 --> 01:51:08,460
I needed to in that aisle so I went back

2612
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,500
down the frozen food aisle

2613
01:51:14,689 --> 01:51:12,719
and I rounded the corner and I went back

2614
01:51:17,390 --> 01:51:14,699
down that bread and milk aisle and sure

2615
01:51:19,729 --> 01:51:17,400
enough I saw the exact same couple at

2616
01:51:21,109 --> 01:51:19,739
the exact same spot what and I passed by

2617
01:51:22,430 --> 01:51:21,119
them again they gave me the exact same

2618
01:51:25,550 --> 01:51:22,440
look

2619
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:25,560
okay now it's getting weird

2620
01:51:30,590 --> 01:51:28,800
that distracted me tremendously and I

2621
01:51:34,010 --> 01:51:30,600
remember glancing back over my shoulder

2622
01:51:35,870 --> 01:51:34,020
and I saw them go around the corner from

2623
01:51:37,970 --> 01:51:35,880
where I just came

2624
01:51:39,470 --> 01:51:37,980
so I thought okay I'm gonna cut them off

2625
01:51:41,870 --> 01:51:39,480
right I'm gonna go back down the Frozen

2626
01:51:43,609 --> 01:51:41,880
Island I'm gonna see them right I don't

2627
01:51:45,530 --> 01:51:43,619
see them I go down the bread milk out

2628
01:51:46,970 --> 01:51:45,540
don't see them I went all around the

2629
01:51:49,910 --> 01:51:46,980
store looking for this couple did not

2630
01:51:52,430 --> 01:51:49,920
see them here's why why that was

2631
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:52,440
interesting it wasn't I put that in the

2632
01:51:58,250 --> 01:51:54,960
book it wasn't until years later a

2633
01:51:59,390 --> 01:51:58,260
friend of mine says hey I have a friend

2634
01:52:01,310 --> 01:51:59,400
who was one of the night shift

2635
01:52:02,750 --> 01:52:01,320
supervisors at that same grocery store

2636
01:52:05,090 --> 01:52:02,760
and he had some strange experiences

2637
01:52:06,410 --> 01:52:05,100
happen there while he was on shift so I

2638
01:52:08,750 --> 01:52:06,420
said okay put me in touch with this guy

2639
01:52:10,970 --> 01:52:08,760
you know I'd love to interview him turns

2640
01:52:12,290 --> 01:52:10,980
out make a long story short that

2641
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:12,300
specific guile

2642
01:52:16,370 --> 01:52:14,639
has had a lot of paranormal experiences

2643
01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:16,380
from bread flying off the shelves

2644
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,239
disembodied voices other people have

2645
01:52:23,570 --> 01:52:20,400
seen these people that just vanished

2646
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:23,580
they called that aisle the haunted Isle

2647
01:52:27,770 --> 01:52:25,679
and this guy had no knowledge of my

2648
01:52:31,310 --> 01:52:27,780
experience he didn't even know about my

2649
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,320
book and uh I thought okay

2650
01:52:36,350 --> 01:52:33,840
there we go there's confirmation right

2651
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:36,360
there so did I see did I have a time

2652
01:52:40,609 --> 01:52:38,159
slip that's what I thought it was

2653
01:52:42,290 --> 01:52:40,619
maybe it was really just a parent more

2654
01:52:44,990 --> 01:52:42,300
of like an apparition type experience I

2655
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:45,000
I don't know how do you categorize this

2656
01:52:53,350 --> 01:52:48,480
well you know when you hear

2657
01:52:55,810 --> 01:52:53,360
um uh things like a Civil War battle

2658
01:52:59,870 --> 01:52:55,820
ghost right

2659
01:53:01,090 --> 01:52:59,880
arm you hear about things like that and

2660
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:01,100
and

2661
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:16,560
just like going back to what I said we

2662
01:53:21,290 --> 01:53:18,239
don't have the right words to use right

2663
01:53:25,729 --> 01:53:21,300
so we just say ah it's a ghost you saw a

2664
01:53:29,330 --> 01:53:25,739
ghost of the or if you know what

2665
01:53:33,290 --> 01:53:29,340
maybe it has something to do with time

2666
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:33,300
you know yeah and you are just visiting

2667
01:53:38,030 --> 01:53:36,239
a moment in time maybe they can see you

2668
01:53:40,970 --> 01:53:38,040
and they're thinking some tripped out

2669
01:53:43,490 --> 01:53:40,980
stuff well that's the thing the way that

2670
01:53:46,430 --> 01:53:43,500
they stared at me they gave me that

2671
01:53:48,050 --> 01:53:46,440
impression like they knew me I I this is

2672
01:53:49,550 --> 01:53:48,060
just a random couple like and they were

2673
01:53:51,649 --> 01:53:49,560
just dressed normally like there's

2674
01:53:55,129 --> 01:53:51,659
nothing unusual about them they didn't

2675
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:55,139
stand out you know in any way they just

2676
01:54:00,109 --> 01:53:57,840
look normal like normal people but I

2677
01:54:02,090 --> 01:54:00,119
remember that look you know it was it

2678
01:54:04,189 --> 01:54:02,100
was kind of like a smile like a you know

2679
01:54:06,770 --> 01:54:04,199
like a a knowing you know when you you

2680
01:54:08,209 --> 01:54:06,780
know somebody but I don't know how to

2681
01:54:09,950 --> 01:54:08,219
describe it you know going back to our

2682
01:54:12,109 --> 01:54:09,960
whole point but that's what happened

2683
01:54:13,850 --> 01:54:12,119
that's what took place

2684
01:54:15,830 --> 01:54:13,860
I'm not asking people to believe it I'm

2685
01:54:17,810 --> 01:54:15,840
just asking people to consider it it's

2686
01:54:20,990 --> 01:54:17,820
an interesting area yeah it's a great

2687
01:54:23,570 --> 01:54:21,000
conversation tonight and we've got

2688
01:54:24,970 --> 01:54:23,580
um we've got three websites for you of

2689
01:54:28,729 --> 01:54:24,980
course at

2690
01:54:32,990 --> 01:54:28,739
justinbendforth.com normal paranormal uh

2691
01:54:35,990 --> 01:54:33,000
dot org and uh Terra signals.com well

2692
01:54:38,330 --> 01:54:36,000
where's the easiest place uh for people

2693
01:54:40,550 --> 01:54:38,340
to go and check out your stuff yeah so

2694
01:54:42,530 --> 01:54:40,560
Terra signals.com that's a podcast I

2695
01:54:44,330 --> 01:54:42,540
just got up and running uh where I'm

2696
01:54:45,410 --> 01:54:44,340
talking about this sort of stuff I'm

2697
01:54:47,689 --> 01:54:45,420
interviewing people about their

2698
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experiences so it just got released a

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normal paranormal that's probably my

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01:54:53,870 --> 01:54:52,320
main site when it comes to this research

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01:54:55,490 --> 01:54:53,880
you know I have a contact form on there

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01:54:57,950 --> 01:54:55,500
I'd love it if some of your listeners

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01:54:59,810 --> 01:54:57,960
sent me a message share some of your

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01:55:03,729 --> 01:54:59,820
experiences

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01:55:06,649 --> 01:55:03,739
and you're going to use their name well

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01:55:09,229 --> 01:55:06,659
so I'm just kidding just kidding Justin

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uh what's are you working on a new book

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I I am working on a new book and and

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going back to the name thing I just want

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to clarify

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when it comes to the UFO subject

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01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:19,619
when it comes there have been other

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experiences that people shared with me

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01:55:24,470 --> 01:55:23,100
over the years in confidence and I have

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01:55:26,149 --> 01:55:24,480
not published those stories I have not

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01:55:27,830 --> 01:55:26,159
shared them in my talks and lectures

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01:55:29,810 --> 01:55:27,840
that's fine if you want to share those

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01:55:32,090 --> 01:55:29,820
experiences and you rather me not

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01:55:33,470 --> 01:55:32,100
publicize it that's fine too

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01:55:35,629 --> 01:55:33,480
because I'm also looking for those

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01:55:38,270 --> 01:55:35,639
patterns there's similarities and I'm

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01:55:40,970 --> 01:55:38,280
working on another book yes uh you know

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01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:40,980
it's it's a it's a work in progress so

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01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:43,920
stay tuned There You Go Justin fantastic

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01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:47,280
conversation tonight and I want to talk

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01:55:52,490 --> 01:55:49,920
more about time and science uh the next

2727
01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:52,500
time that you're on thank you so much my

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01:55:58,129 --> 01:55:55,679
friend great conversation again all of

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01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:58,139
Justin's links are below over on our

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01:56:03,470 --> 01:56:00,960
website and throughout social media

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01:56:06,109 --> 01:56:03,480
Justin bamforth be safe out there man

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01:56:07,850 --> 01:56:06,119
great night all right take care

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01:56:10,850 --> 01:56:07,860
thank you so much that was a perfect

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01:56:13,250 --> 01:56:10,860
that was a perfect conversation

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01:56:15,709 --> 01:56:13,260
um I have been doing Fade to Black for a

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01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:15,719
very long time

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01:56:20,090 --> 01:56:18,000
it's conversations like tonight this is

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01:56:22,970 --> 01:56:20,100
why I do it right here all right

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01:56:24,770 --> 01:56:22,980
tomorrow night we got Robert Sullivan uh

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01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:24,780
back with us and tomorrow night we're

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01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:27,440
going to be talking about symbolism

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01:56:35,270 --> 01:56:31,679
in Hollywood that's right Hollywood and

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01:56:36,890 --> 01:56:35,280
the those secret messages that they play

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01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:36,900
for us

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01:56:40,970 --> 01:56:39,119
at the movie theater we're going to be

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01:56:44,510 --> 01:56:40,980
doing that tomorrow night with Robert

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01:56:46,609 --> 01:56:44,520
Solomon and so much more faded black is

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01:57:21,950 --> 01:57:17,580
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01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:21,960
Robert Sullivan I want you to be safe